Whatever happened to Sarah Veitch (nee Barker)?.....

[Dennis]

Hello
I have a woe. James Veitch born in Peebles 1863-1950, son of Adam Veitch & Agnes Bowe.
James married July 14, 1882 to Sarah Barker 1859-? in partik, Lanark, Scotland
James married a 2nd time to Elizabeth Watson 1875- 1950 on Sept. 12, 1919 in Cupar, Fife.

I can find no death rec for wife #1 Sarah.

dennis

[DavidWW]

Hello
I have a woe. James Veitch born in Peebles 1863-1950, son of Adam Veitch & Agnes Bowe.
James married July 14, 1882 to Sarah Barker 1859-? in partik, Lanark, Scotland
James married a 2nd time to Elizabeth Watson 1875- 1950 on Sept. 12, 1919 in Cupar, Fife.

I can find no death rec for wife #1 Sarah.

dennis

Dennis

Could she have died in England?, - the family seems to have moved about a bit.

Firstly see if you can tie down the year range a bit closer. See if the family turn up in the 1901 census. Assuming that there are children (there are - a lot !!, - including the most unusual name Calista or Calistia), then look for marriages of the daughters in the area where they were in 1901. This will allow you to define a smaller range of years in which to check if there is a matching VEITCH or BARKER death, including a play with wildcards for VEITCH altho' if there isn't a BARKER match then it's maybe not worth spending the credits .......

If that doesn't produce a result then try FreeBMD, and you might just find a close match in terms of age not that far south of the border

Davie

[Dennis]

Davie.

The 1891 census has James, John & William Veitch living at their widowed mother's residence and all 3 sons are listed as unmarried, though James & Sarah continue having children to 1899 ( Alexander Fairlay Veitch born March 16, 1899). The 1901 census has James listed as a widower living in Drumelzier, Peebles.

So, Sarah is not in the 1891 census, but keeps having kids into 1899 then James is a widower in 1901. Then James marries in 1919. Whatever became of Sarah is a mystery to me

dennis

[DavidWW]

Davie.

The 1891 census has James, John & William Veitch living at their widowed mother's residence and all 3 sons are listed as unmarried, though James & Sarah continue having children to 1899 ( Alexander Fairlay Veitch born March 16, 1899). The 1901 census has James listed as a widower living in Drumelzier, Peebles.

So, Sarah is not in the 1891 census, but keeps having kids into 1899 then James is a widower in 1901. Then James marries in 1919. Whatever became of Sarah is a mystery to me

dennis

So who's the James, 40, Cabinet Maker, b. Peebles, and Sarah, 41, and 10 kids in Edinburgh in 1901, incl a 2 year old Alexr?

And then there's a daughter's marriage in 1905 not showing Sarah as deceased?.....

Davie

[Dennis]

Davie. The James Veitch I have was born Feb 21, 1863 to Adam Veitch & Agnes Bowe in Drmelzier, Peebles. So when I look at the census for 1901, where he would be 37-39 I get him as a widower with no other family living with him in Drumelzier, Peebles. Where did you see the one where he is 40 in 1901?

dennis

[DavidWW]

Davie. The James Veitch I have was born Feb 21, 1863 to Adam Veitch & Agnes Bowe in Drmelzier, Peebles. So when I look at the census for 1901, where he would be 37-39 I get him as a widower with no other family living with him in Drumelzier, Peebles. Where did you see the one where he is 40 in 1901?

dennis

Dennis

Edinburgh, married, aged 24, to Sarah BARKER on 14Jul1882 in Partick, but parents shown as reputed father John FORBES and Christian VEITCH ........

Davie

[Dennis]

Hi Davie.

I must have confused one James Veitch with another. I knew about the one you said which is on the mc of James & Sarah. I made an even bigger mistake when I thought that James' parents, from the dc in 1950 of Adam Veitch & Agnes Bowe were the ones to use. I recall posting something about 'Reputed Father' when the father's name is included on the record; I think it was in the General Discussion forum. So, I probably have a LOT of Veitch folk to remove from my tree as the lady Christian Veitch is not a result of the Adam Veitch & Agnes Bowe group.

How should I handle the 'reputed father' issue, do I simply state that James was the Illegitimate son of John Forbes & Christian Veitch?
dennis

[DavidWW]

Hi Davie.

I must have confused one James Veitch with another. I knew about the one you said which is on the mc of James & Sarah. I made an even bigger mistake when I thought that James' parents, from the dc in 1950 of Adam Veitch & Agnes Bowe were the ones to use. I recall posting something about 'Reputed Father' when the father's name is included on the record; I think it was in the General Discussion forum. So, I probably have a LOT of Veitch folk to remove from my tree as the lady Christian Veitch is not a result of the Adam Veitch & Agnes Bowe group.

How should I handle the 'reputed father' issue, do I simply state that James was the Illegitimate son of John Forbes & Christian Veitch?
dennis

Actually, on a re-read it's Christina not Christian....... and you need to check out that FreeBMD lead that I gave you above for a possible death for Sarah.

How to handle "reputed" father?, - if all you have is the info there is at the moment, then show as illegitimate, but put in a note on the origin of the info.

But before you do that, spend a few credits locating the birth of James, - it's exactly where the census info says it should be, including the 1881 census ......

Dwelling: 27 Dick St
Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203663 GRO Ref Volume 644-9 EnumDist 75 Page 32
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Donald PLOWMAN M 28 M Wick, Caithness, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Mason
Elizabeth PLOWMAN M 29 F Wick, Caithness, Scotland
Rel: Wife
John LIVINGSTON M 30 M Kilbride, Argyll, Scotland
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Cabinetmaker
James VEITCH U 25 M Peebles, Peeble, Scotland
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Cabinetmaker


You also need to tie in the 1901 census entry, i.e. confirming that it is your family, however much of a match there appears to be, by locating the birth register entry of one of the kids, in order to show that the mother's maiden surname, and the place and date of the marriage match, - Calista Bell Guthrie VEITCH should be easy to find

Davie

PS So did James really marry a second time

[AnnetteR]

Hi Dennis and Davie

Davie - I have the same information as you on James Veitch and Sarah Barker.

Dennis - The James Veitch who married Elizabeth Watson is not the same James Veitch who married Sarah Barker. The parents and his age are different. You can compare both marriage certificates on the SP web site. Which James Veitch therefore is yours?

Happy hunting

Annette R

[Dennis]

Davie. Did the birth on James based on the info you provided and found him as illegitimate on his bc, w/ Christina as 'the child's mother' his birth date puts him in 1856, so it could be him as age 43 in the 1901 census. no mention of the 'reputed father'. Also, I did the bc search for Calista Bell Guthrie VEITCH and the marriage date and names fit for James & Sarah.

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dennis