RCE look up please :0)

[delmarco]

Would some kind soul, please do an RCE look up on my great grandfather
Mark Mitchell??

Died 1 Nov 1922 in Rutherglen, cause of death drowning. RCE details are as follows:

VOl 6 P131, 8th Jan 1923, There are some details on the death certificate, he was found in the Clyde, near the shipyard, last seen alive at 6am, found at 10:30am., has his usual residence of 43 Farie street Rutherglen.

Curiosity has got me on the further details.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks and have a great weekend
Karen

[DavidWW]

Don't have too high hopes of anything more in the RCE other than confirmation of the details.

It would be worth a scan of the local newspapers as there's a reasonable chance of at least a wee bit more background info.

David

[delmarco]

David:

Thanks for the tip, I will try that next.

Question: if there was some sort of inquest, where would it be noted? Next question, would there have been two months lapsed in confirming the details already on the certificate?

Idont believe there was any foul play involved, but I do wonder how he ended up floating in the clyde, near the shipyard. He was a coalminer by trade. Thoughts??

KAren

[Falkyrn]

Question: if there was some sort of inquest, where would it be noted? Next question, would there have been two months lapsed in confirming the details already on the certificate?

There wouldn't have been an inquest as they don't form part of the Scottish legal structure.

The inquiry would have been carried out by the local police reporting to the procurator fiscal .... after a preliminary report the PF's office would decide if they wanted further information and may have interviewed (precognosed) witnesses. Copies of these interviews have sometimes survived but not as much as we would wish plus many fall under the 100 year closure ruling.

[DavidWW]

David:

Thanks for the tip, I will try that next.

Question: if there was some sort of inquest, where would it be noted? Next question, would there have been two months lapsed in confirming the details already on the certificate?

There may have been a Fatal Accident Inquiry (FAI), and the 2 month delay infers that there was, - that will be noted on the RCE entry.

Email NAS and ask them to have a look in their records.

Good thing you asked, - I hadn't taken in the date, and possible/probable FAI.

Idont believe there was any foul play involved, but I do wonder how he ended up floating in the clyde, near the shipyard. He was a coalminer by trade. Thoughts??

Karen

Not really, but I'd think it unlikely that a body could drift the distance involved from Rutherglen in 4½ hrs.

David

[Falkyrn]

There may have been a Fatal Accident Inquiry (FAI), and the 2 month delay infers that there was,

it is possible that there was an FAI but these are pretty rare and are held generally only when "In the public interest" or "where statute requires it"

Possibly early health and safety legislation may have required it ... although given the circumstances it is also possible that the delay may have been due to a criminal inquiry into the circumstances. This would have been carried out by the police and reported to the PF who may have then interviewed witnesses and reviewed the evidence before making a decision.

[Jack]

Hi Karen,
Nothing really that you don't already know.
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Register of Corrected Entries.
Vol. 6. Page 131. District of Rutherglen. County of Lanark.
The following Report of Result of a Precognition has been received
touching the death of Mark Mitchell.
Registered under No. 275 in the Register Book of Deaths for the year 1922.
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Name, Age, Sex.
Mark Mitchell, Corporation Labourer, 55 years, Married. Male.
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When and Where Died.
1st November 1922, between 6.30 am and 8.15 am in River Clyde
about 300 yards west from Dalmarnock Railway Bridge, Rutherglen.
Usual Residence, 43 Farie Street, Rutherglen.
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Cause.
Drowning.
--
Procurator Fiscal Office, Glasgow.
28 December 1922.
Certified by James Adair, Procurator Fiscal Dept.
8 January 1923 at Rutherglen.
John R. Anderson, Assistant Registrar.
====
Jack

[delmarco]

Jack:

Thank you so much for the look up, I agree not much more there, all the same I'm glad you checked, it would have stuck in my craw if I didnt have it checked out. I'm dumfounded how he got there in the first place, guess thats a question that wont soon be answered, Ive written to several of the local newspapers and so far no mention of it anywhere. Again I thank you sir.

Regards
Karen

[Montrose Budie]

Looks like he wasn't that far from home when he fell into the Clyde. Sounds like the mention of shipyards could relate to where the body was recovered, not where he fell in.

As Falkryn suggests I can only imagine that the delay was due to the police investigating the circumstances before reporting back to the Procurator Fiscal.

But you'll need something in a newspaper to gain any further understanding. Looks like he wasn't pushed, but did he jump or did he fall? The time of day involved makes it less likely, tho' far from impossible, that alcohol was a factor.

David

[Russell]

Hi Karen

Thanks to Jack finding the RCE detail, the info states 300 yards from the Dalmarnock Bridge. This is in the upper reaches of the Clyde so any shipyard nearby would be building or repairing small craft not ocean going liners. Think rowing boats and small steam launches not the Queen Mary.

Where he was found is only 2 kilometres from Farie St. Without knowing which Corporation depot he was attached to its only guesswork but a 2 kilometre walk home was not at all unusual in those days. Remember that it was still the time of the horse & cart and there would be no tramcars in that direction.
At that time the banks of the Clyde were a foul, muddy mess with none of the protective guardrails now in place. Easy to slip and slide down into the river.
The Royal Humane Society boatman Mr Parsonage (I think he was there in 1922!) usually ended up recovering bodies rather than rescuing people.
The Clyde has improved a lot but I still would not fancy falling in especially if I was a non-swimmer.
Hope you find a newspaper clipping though.

I was attracted to your post by the refernce to Farie St. I have just found a relative with Farie as his middle name and had never heard it before.

Russell