HELP WITH MARRIAGE CERT

ELLEN 44 · Post by **ELLEN 44** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:17 pm

Hi Jean i do have a John Elstob born 1820 in England so i wonder if the family came from England then went to Scotland.Ellen

Post by **Jean Jeanie** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:31 pm

Hi Ellen

It's a distinct possibility!

The name seems very predominent in the N.E. of England.

David

I'm sure I read you had found them in 1891 but can't find it now. If you did find them what were the birthplaces?

Jean

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:18 pm

Jean Jeanie wrote:
David

I'm sure I read you had found them in 1891 but can't find it now. If you did find them what were the birthplaces?

Jean

In the 1891 census for BridgeEnd Old Farm in Greenock, 564/01 048/01 15, the 22 year old James B(ain) ELSTOB's place of birth is shown as "Renfrewshire, Greenock", but that's not to say that his father or previous generations didn't come from England !!

His wife Agnes ELSTOB [known to be MS COWAN], is shown as born in Glasgow.

His 1950 death register entry, aged 82, shows his father as John ELSTOB, Deputy Harbour Master.

David

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:22 pm

ELLEN 44 wrote:Hi Jean i do have a John Elstob born 1820 in England so i wonder if the family came from England then went to Scotland.Ellen

Distinctly possible, but whether there's one or two generations between this John and the Scottish John is a good question

David

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:45 pm

The thing that stumped me is not only is a birth missing for Angus...but a brother named Hugh too. There is the birth of wee James in 1891 and then they lost wee Robert in 1909 all in Greenock....and are there for the 1891 census...but not found in 1901 and then both James Sr and Agnes are still right there when they die. Odd very odd. I've tried every wildcard I could deal myself but I don't think the SP indexes are going to give them up. The marriage for James and Agnes is right where James's BC states it is.

Best wishes
Jean

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:51 pm

JustJean wrote:The thing that stumped me is not only is a birth missing for Angus...but a brother named Hugh too. There is the birth of wee James in 1891 and then they lost wee Robert in 1909 all in Greenock....and are there for the 1891 census...but not found in 1901 and then both James Sr and Agnes are still right there when they die. Odd very odd. I've tried every wildcard I could deal myself but I don't think the SP indexes are going to give them up. The marriage for James and Agnes is right where James's BC states it is.

Best wishes
Jean

Sadly, I'm glad to see that another expert is equally baffled

David

ELLEN 44 · Post by **ELLEN 44** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:22 pm

Hi I thought this might help this is what i have on the Elstob.
John Elstob born England 1820 Harbour Master married Grace Campbell on the 1/6/1849. The children i have for them are
Elizabeth Elstob c1845.Thomas c1851.Jane 1845.Charles 1858.John 1860.
Then he went on to marry Margaret Figgins on the 13/6/1865 the children they had were.Margaret Elstob c1861.John A Elstob c1863.Helen c1865 Margaret 1866 she died when she was 15 months old.James Bain Elstob 1867 James married Agnes Cowan they had John Figgins Elstob 1889 James Bain Elstob 1891 James Married Margaret Cameron then Agnus 1895 he married Margaret Campbell.What puzzles me is John and Margaret had two daughters called Margaret does anyone know why? thans for all your help from Ellen

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:37 pm

Hi Ellen

Jumped the gun and didn't read all your post!!! Was going to tell you about wee John Figgins Elstob but now see you've found him.....as for the dual Margarets....well....it does happen. Perhaps an insurance policy in case one of them died. I always find that theory a bit morbid though.....

Best wishes
Jean

ELLEN 44 · Post by **ELLEN 44** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:49 pm

Hi all why did they call all the children after Grandparents,Aunts,Uncles,Farthers and Mothers it would have made thing's at lot easier to call them something different dont you think my dad was called James Smith Anderson he took my grannies maiden name
and 2 of my cousins have there moms maiden name and my 3rd cousin has my g-grannies maiden name my dad said that is what scottish people did was he right from Ellen

Post by **emanday** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:40 pm

Ellen,

Have a look atDavidWW's post in http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3973 and you will see the naming patterns described.