RCE certificate

meelymunch · Post by **meelymunch** » Thu May 10, 2007 10:09 am

Morning,
I have just received a birth certificate that i sent away for.
It's a birth cert for Barbara Bowman Gifford (illegitimate) born 1898, Enzie,Banff.
Mother Jessie Gifford.

Now on the printed typed copy they have sent to me the only thing different is that the name Allan Macdonald has been added in as the father.

I have checked out about 5 other entries for RCE extracts on SP since the red button arrived and on all of them i get to see a written entry stating things about paternity and fathers occupation after his name and where he was from.

Did i not read somewhere that if there had been an ammendment to a B.D/M cert that it would be printed on the back of the cert (or something)

Would i get to see this written entry if i check it out for the 2 credits on SP.
Have i been shortchanged having paid £10 for a copy of the birth cert when i could have got a copy of the written extract for the 2 credits on SP.
Or is this an oversight on SP part by not including it in the cert they sent me this morning.

Cheers, Carole.

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Thu May 10, 2007 3:12 pm

In the case of the addition of a father's name following a subsequent, successful paternity action, any extract (formal legally valid certificate)then issued will show the father's name where it would normally be.

Only if you go back and look at the original register entry (e.g. on ScotlandsPeople) will you see that the birth was initially registered as illegitimate, but with an RCE stamp referring to a Sheriff Court paternity action naming the father.

In other words, in such a case, nothing is written on the back of the extract.

David

meelymunch · Post by **meelymunch** » Thu May 10, 2007 4:07 pm

Cheers David,

So if i clicked on the red RCE button on SP for 2 credits - what would that show ... just Allan Macdonald , father. No written extract of the date of the new entry and by whom.(sheriff)

Cheers,. Carole

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Thu May 10, 2007 5:36 pm

meelymunch wrote:Cheers David,

So if i clicked on the red RCE button on SP for 2 credits - what would that show ... just Allan Macdonald , father. No written extract of the date of the new entry and by whom.(sheriff)

Cheers,. Carole

A wee bit more, in terms of exact instructions on the addition to be made to the original birth register entry on the basis of the Sheriff Court paternity action............

See your email.

David

meelymunch · Post by **meelymunch** » Thu May 10, 2007 5:43 pm

Thankyou for that David, much appreciated.

Having paid £10 for the certificate from Scotlandspeople, should that RCE extract have been included with the cert they sent me?

Cheers, Carole.

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Thu May 10, 2007 5:56 pm

meelymunch wrote:Thankyou for that David, much appreciated.

Having paid £10 for the certificate from Scotlandspeople, should that RCE extract have been included with the cert they sent me?

Cheers, Carole.

No, because the £10 extract incorporated the paternity info. Had you asked for it at the time of ordering, they might have included a copy of the RCE entry.

David

meelymunch · Post by **meelymunch** » Thu May 10, 2007 6:35 pm

Thanks for your help David,

I ordered the birth cert just a few days before the RCE's appeared.I should have just waited a few extra days for the RCE's to come online.

I had been itching to know if the Bowman middle name (Barbara Bowman Gifford) was a clue to the father's surname. As i now know he is Allan Macdonald so i have no idea from who or where the Bowman name came from at all !

Cheers, Carole.

StewL · Post by **StewL** » Sat May 12, 2007 3:16 am

Carole

This may not apply to your situation, but my aunt had a middle name of Ballantyne which I couldnt work out the origins of, until I found that my great grandfather (maternal line) had remarried to a lassie named Jessie Ballantyne, the rest of the siblings had Barton, Davidson middle names if given them.

Just a thought.

Aileach · Post by **Aileach** » Mon May 14, 2007 9:36 pm

RCE's are printed on the back of ordered certificates only if there is no instruction in the RCE to amend the details on the original entry.
If the original entry has to reflect an amendment then a copy will be typed.

Aileach