What does this mean ?

[crayspond]

Hi to all at TS,

It's been a while since i have posted on the site - I thought a break was necessary.
On a birth cert for Dougald McFarlane born 08/10/1815 it states Dougald son to Dougald McFarlane Woolspinner late in Dunning and Elizabeth Garvie --in fornication.
What would it mean by 'late" in Dunning ?

Regards

Ailsa

[Hibee]

Hi Ailsa

Probably means he used to live in the parish of Dunning.

Hibee

[paddyscar]

Hi Ailsa:

Glad to see you on the board again!

Late in this instance means that Dougald was deceased or had moved by the time of the baby's birth. http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/conte ... .aspx?1017

I thnk Elizabeth may have been known to affiliate with other men before Dougald's death, but as she was a married woman it would have been registered as his child; or she may have faced a tribunal if the child was born later than 9 months after Dougald's death; or she may have simply admitted that it was not his child.

Is the information on the baptismal record? If so, there may be further church records showing information about the tribunal.

Frances

[LesleyB]

Hi Ailsa

born 08/10/1815 it states Dougald son to Dougald McFarlane Woolspinner late in Dunning and Elizabeth Garvie --in fornication

On IGI this christening is listed for Dunning (with the birth listed on IGI as 18th May).
My take on the wording would be that Dougald McFarlane the Woolspinner who is the father of the child used to live in Dunning, but at the time of the christening did not live there, and that the child was born to a couple (Dougald & Elizabeth) who were not married. The Kirk Session records should, if they are extant for Dunning at that date, give a bit more background to the circumstances.

Best wishes
Lesley

[crayspond]

Thanks for the quick replies.
My mistake - it is a record of his birth of 18th May . I had been looking at the top of the extract which says 08/10/1815 (opr births 350/0010 0331 Dunning)- which may be his christening - it doesn't say. All it says is
Oct 8 Dougald son to Dougald McFarlane Woolspinner late in Dunning and Elizabeth Garvie --in fornication.
I did look for any deaths of Dougald snr round about the time of Dougald jnr birth and conception but nothing came up. Also no marriage for him and Elizabeth Garvie either. More likely that he hot footed it from Dunning
I think the full sentence is - utd(united?) in fornication - don't know if that makes much difference.
Back to the drawing board!

Ailsa

[nelmit]

Hi Ailsa,

Do you have this census for a likely Elizabeth at Dunning in 1841?

Thomas Callum 48
Catherine Callum 40
Jean Callum 18
John Callum 15
William Callum 14
Elisabeth Garvie 55 born Perthshire
Isabella Watson 20
Ann Greig 30
David Elving 4
William Mcleish 7 MO
Nancy Franson 30

Regards,
Annette

[crayspond]

Hi Annette,
No I don't - well done. I always assumed that she was unmarried when she had Dougald jnr and that if she didn't marry Dougald snr she would have maybe married someone else. Does it say any more about her ? or what relation she is to the others?

Thanks,

Ailsa