Decipher name - m.c 1889 Glasgow

[SarahND]

2) Harris Tisch, Casket maker (deceased) Lieddie Tisch m.s. Ginsberg

Or Basket maker? Both very different from Schoolmaster!

Regards,
Sarah

[momat]

The death Cert for RACHEL FISCH nee FELDMAN 1901 aged 70 states father as Israel Feldman. Mother's ms -Feldman, widow of HARRY FISCH basket maker.
Informant son, Bernhard Fisch

Don't know if you have the Census for Bernhard,
1891 he is with wife Sarah aged 20 and son Harry
1901 he is with 4 children .NO wife
Can't see a death for Sarah Tisch/Fisch nee Millar.
On Marriage for Sarah and Bernhard both mothers have the maiden name of GINSBERG
so may have been cousins ??

[JustJean]

If you want yet another version....from the marriage of Theresa and Abraham

1896 HOURAWITCH ABRAHAM BANK THERESA GORBALS GLASGOW/LANARK 644/12 0460
(Leo BANK died in Edinburgh in 1893 so Theresa has a 2nd marriage!)



Best wishes
Jean

[casserole]

Hello everyone, Many, many thanks for your replies to my query re the name of the groom's mother. I am grateful to you all for getting involved in the solving the great puzzle. I have copies of all the documents that you have mentioned and have noted all the various names.

This has been a problem for me for sometime as I have been unable to work out the relationship between all the mothers and mothers-in-law. Is there one mother/mother-in-law or more?

I believe that Bernhard FISCH is the brother of my great grandmother but because of all the discrepencies in their mothers' names I just can't find that last piece of the jigsaw. My greatgrandmother was Jane/Jeannie FISCH married to Isaac RIEMER/REIMER and on documents which I have for her her mother is: Leah FISCH maiden surname JACOBS (husband Harry FISCH), Leah TEISCH. At one time I thought that Leah might be derivitive of Rachel but I have been told that this wouldn't be.

Now, I would say that I have got it wrong and there were in fact two families in the area with similar names at this time but my father's cousin (both granchildren of Jane FISCH) told me that her mother took her to London to visit her uncle Benny (Bernhard FISCH) so I am sure that they are related.

Yes, Teresa was married twice and I have both her marriage certificates. On Teresa's first marriage certificate it looks like Linna.

Carol and Momat I have a copy of the 1901 census in front of me and if says Bernhard's wife is Sarah MILLER so Ancestry must have it wrong. I haven't come across a Leonora in any document relating to this family.

Jean, I think I'll do as you suggest and see if I can get a clearer copy from GROS.

Francis, it is Hirs TISCH which can be Harris. My father was called Harry after his grandfather Hirs TISCH. Also on one of the censuses Rachel is GINSBURY and not GINSBERG. See what I mean about them making it up as they went along. Problem is which is correct!!
My grateful thanks to all of you. I'll keep plodding on and hope to solve this mystery one day. In the meantime if someone comes up with a bright idea of how I could solve this then I would love to hear from them,

All the best,
Carole

[momat]

Hi Carole,
If you search on jewgen FTJP for Fish Bernard you get this

FISH, Bernard 1862 1938 11747 10 Feb 2001
It leads you to his family and it looks like they moved to LONDON
They have the same 4 children from 1901 census plus several more.
It states that Sarah died 1924 in London.

ALso on the free BMD in England there are several Fisch / Tisch
Cheers,

[casserole]

Hello Momat,

Thank you for this. Will have a look.

All the best,
Carole

[momat]

Taking this family to London brings up the following.

On the 1911 Census ENGLAND they are listed as Fisch Bernhard with Sarah and all children ,living in HACKNEY London,so obviously have not adopted the Fish version of name at this stage.
Also free BMD has a death for Sarah Fisch aged 53 in Hackney

Two of the now FISH children Harry and Rebeca married a brother and sister named David and Ester SARFATY so that is another link.
I know this does not give the answers that you were looking for but it has taken it to modern days.

[nelmit]

Hi Carole,

Now I have numerous variations of different surnames I'll take another trip to The Mitchell and see if I can come up with anything new although moving to Albert Drive was definitely a step up.

Did Jane give her mother's name as Jacobs on her poorhouse application because I really had this family pegged as hers? I'll have another look at that one too.

Regards,
Annette

Later.................I had another look at Jeannie's application today and see that she gave her parents as Harris Teish and Leah Teish.

I waited so long I could only skim it as my parking ticket was running out. I forgot to check Harris's occupation(and whether he was alive)!! What did it give for that Carole? I did note that the address given was 64 Main Street for parent(s) when she made the application in 1895.

Now that I'm home I wonder if a check at the valuation rolls for 1895 would throw any light on the family. Noted for my next trip.

I checked all the variations of Fisch, Tisch and Reimer I could think of - I was quite inventive - but couldn't find anything.

[casserole]

Hello Annette,
Thanks a million for all the time spent on my behalf and thank you also to everyone who has contributed to this discussion.

Re the Poor Law Application. It was done but Jane's husband Isaac FISCH as you probably know. The details for his wife are as you noted. Jeannie's parents were living at 64 Main Street on this application (1895), as you say. In the 1891 census Bernhard is living at 52 Main Street with his wife - so close! And so it goes on.

The only time that the surname JACOBS crops up is on Jane's death certificate (I have this). The informant was her eldest daughter. I have always wondered if perhaps she never knew her mother's maiden name and she or the registrar made it up.

Harris's occupation is not given on the Poor Law application but he is deceased.

The move to Albert Drive by Bernhard was indeed a step up but he was manager of a cigarette factory firstly and then he and a couple of friends went into business as wholesalers in this field. They became bankrupt after a while and by 1907 Bernhard had moved to London (don't know exactly when). In 1904 he applied for Naturalisation in Glasgow. (I have this application)

Like you I have had my greatgrandmother, Jane/Jeannie, and Bernhard and Teresa within a whisker of being siblings but the variation in parents names has floored me.


Thank you all again,
Carole

[casserole]

Sorry Annette,
Should have said that there is no surname for Jeannie/s mother on the Poor Law Application on the first name of Leah.

Carole