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PBMuir · Post by **PBMuir** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:43 pm

I agree there seems to be a discrepancy in James date of birth - it could be either 1860 (from his death cert) or 1863 (from 1901 census). I knew James & Mary didn't get married until after they already had children and only a few months before John was born. I haven't seen the birth certs of Janet and William - where did you find them? What was the father's name?
I did wonder whether Mary Temple already
had the other children before she met James as she and her parents have some very interesting history (her mother's first husband is "missing for 9 years" on Mary's birth certificate when she was born to another man). Mary Temple (James wife) was born in Old Monkland and that's why one of your searches of the 1881 census looked familiar but the parents of your James born there were James Muir and Mary Dunlop Wood. Of course our James may have remembered his mother's name wrongly! You never know! I have already tried all the census returns for the places the other children were allegedly born but of course I was looking for James to be their father so I might go and look again if FREECEN has them available for those dates.

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:25 pm

Hi PB

You'll find Janet and William registered under their mother's surname. No father named at all.

Another thing that bothered me was James age of 36 at his first? marriage. Just maybe that needs to be looked into to make sure he didn't have another wife (dead or alive) when he married Mary in 1900.

I was on the trail of a very promising lead but seem to have lost my way......there was a James DOBSON (Illeg) born to Janet DOBSON in 1860...no father named but James had a middle name which might have been a pointer. His mother went on to marry a FREER near as I can tell and had more children. THere are a lot of clues that fit but the one thing missing in all of it is a connection to the MUIR!!!!! Hmmmmmmmmm....... I need to look some more

Best wishes
Jean

PBMuir · Post by **PBMuir** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:39 pm

I also started to look for children born to Janet Dobson but couldn't find any on the IGI and am hesitating before I put yet another £6 into Scotlandspeople - maybe I will win the lottery tonight and can put in as much as I like!

The lead you have sounds promising but isn't it frustrating when you think you have found "the one" but have no proof! I recently did my mother's family tree and got all the way back to 1560 in Germany with no problems! How is this one so much harder?

Am so very grateful for your help!

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:45 pm

JustJean wrote:Hi PB

You'll find Janet and William registered under their mother's surname. No father named at all.

Another thing that bothered me was James age of 36 at his first? marriage. Just maybe that needs to be looked into to make sure he didn't have another wife (dead or alive) when he married Mary in 1900.

I was on the trail of a very promising lead but seem to have lost my way......there was a James DOBSON (Illeg) born to Janet DOBSON in 1860...no father named but James had a middle name which might have been a pointer. His mother went on to marry a FREER near as I can tell and had more children. THere are a lot of clues that fit but the one thing missing in all of it is a connection to the MUIR!!!!! Hmmmmmmmmm....... I need to look some more

Best wishes
Jean

Here is the Freer family with neighbours in 1881 -

Dwelling: Northgate
Census Place: Peebles, Peeble, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0224035 GRO Ref Volume 768 EnumDist 3 Page 8
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
James FREER M 49 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Woollen Weaver
Janet FREER M 36 F Galashiels, Roxburgh, Scotland
Rel: Wife
George FREER U 10 M Galashiels, Selkirk, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Robert FREER 5 M Galashiels, Roxburgh, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
James FREER 2 M Galashiels, Roxburgh, Scotland
Rel: Son
Jane FREER 1 F Galashiels, Roxburgh, Scotland
Rel: Dau

Dwelling: Northgate
Census Place: Peebles, Peeble, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0224035 GRO Ref Volume 768 EnumDist 3 Page 8
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John CAMPBELL M 26 M Whitekirk, Haddington, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Coachman
Margaret CAMPBELL M 24 F Whittingham, Haddington, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Agnes CAMPBELL U 5 F Whitekirk, Haddington, Scotland
Rel: Dau
Robert CAMPBELL 3 M Stenton, Haddington, Scotland
Rel: Son
Margaret CAMPBELL 1 F Stenton, Haddington, Scotland
Rel: Dau
James D. DOBSON M 20 M Galashiels, Selkirk, Scotland
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Agricultural Labourer
Jane DOBSON M 21 F Galashiels, Selkirk, Scotland
Rel: Lodger
James D. DOBSON 9 m M Galashiels, Selkirk, Scotland

Annette M

PBMuir · Post by **PBMuir** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:22 pm

So confused now. What was the mystery middle name of the James Dobson you found? It might mean something to me.

Have found that, as you said, Janet and William were indeed Mary Temple's illegitimate children, although she did have a son James Muir in 1898 and then John Muir after she married James senior in 1900, followed by at least 2 children, Catherine and Mary.

It is possible that the Freer family are indeed involved, but where to find documented proof is the question!

Janet Dobson and James Muir senior maybe don't want to be found!

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:28 am

Hi

I can't find any reason to be convinced that this James DOBSON is your James MUIR so I think this theory has to be abandoned for now. The middle name of James DOBSON was DAGLEISH.

Best wishes
Jean

PBMuir · Post by **PBMuir** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:36 pm

I think since I may have to give up on Jasmes at present, I might try his wife's family - I have her parents (Rose Boyle born 1839 in Ireland) and William Temple (coal merchant). Rose's parents were Edward Boyle and Mary Duffy but I need to look for them (hopefully being married) in Ireland - how do I go about this?

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