census help please

Post by **AnneM** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:38 pm

Hi Zena

Yours are a confusing bunch. Our friend Paul was born in 1880 and appears as Paul Bethune. The only reason I know that is that I found the birth of brother Donald who, although also illegitimate, is registered as McLean and both Ann and father Jonathan McLean signed the BC. On that certificate Ann is given as Ann Bethune so I looked for Paul as Paul Bethune and voila!

I guess that his address means that his ship was registered in Liverpool. I googled the name of the ship but the only one I found was launched in 1936 and belonged to the Ellerman Line in Liverpool. I wonder if it was the successor to the one you have there.

Anne

zena · Post by **zena** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:18 pm

Hi Anne,

Thank you so much you are a star

. I have got Paul's birth cert now thank you but no fathers name on it. So that makes me think Johnathan was not his father if he was i would of thought Ann would of put it on like Donald's birth.

I have googled the name on the marriage as Paul put Agna Liverpool looks like a name of a ship so i will do more digging tonight.

Once again thank you you have helped me so much

.

Regards Zena

Post by **AnneM** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:31 pm

Hi Zena

I think the ship was called the 'City of Agra'. There seems to have been a group of ships called the 'City of ??????'

Anne

zena · Post by **zena** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:40 pm

Hi Ann,

Thank you yes you are right it does say city of and it could well be Agra i thought it said Agna.

Thank you Zena

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:06 am

Hello Zena,

Anne was right about it being the successor. According to this page the original Ellerman-Hall Line “City of Agra”, 4808 tons, was built 1903 and scrapped 1932. You’ll find it half way down the page.

http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/ellerman5.htm

I can’t find a picture of that version of the ship but as a small consolation prize here’s a picture of Mr. Robert Faulds who "got his first sea going appointment as 5th Engineer on the CITY OF AGRA for a trip to India in 1905".

http://www.sscityofcairo.co.uk/faulds.php

Alan

Post by **joette** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:41 pm

Currie wrote: I can’t find a picture of that version of the ship but as a small consolation prize here’s a picture of Mr. Robert Faulds who "got his first sea going appointment as 5th Engineer on the CITY OF AGRA for a trip to India in 1905".

http://www.sscityofcairo.co.uk/faulds.php

This is the Great-Grandfather of my two charges.Small world.
They are both of sailing today-what can I say it's in the blood.

Post by **joette** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:34 pm

May I add to the Faulds story when the late Bobby(Robert jnr) was torpedoed he was in the shower when it happened.His Mother had pressed upon him an old fur coat of hers for the cold night watches.
He grabbed this when abandoning ship & says it saved him & his modesty until they were rescued.

He too was a native of Tillicoultry, a beloved "Grandpa Liverpool" & a great raconteur. RIP Bobby.

zena · Post by **zena** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:04 am

Hi Alan,

Thank you for the links i enjoyed looking and reading them.

Thank you Zena

zena · Post by **zena** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:08 am

Hi Joette,

It is a small world i enjoyed reading about Robert and the extra bit you put in is great.

Thank you Zena

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:44 pm

That’s okay Zena and that’s a great story Joette.

One of the things I like about genealogy is that it gives people a little bit of immortality.

Alan