Thomas Burnside .....

[karenmcc]

Thank you so much Jack.OX

Thought I had found Jean/Jane, and followed her through to the 1871 census (my local library has free access to ancestry), then realized it was the wrong one.

I wonder if this family are connected to Brian's (aka Rockford), I'm sure he has Youngs in his side. Will have to look up his posts after I finish here.

I have managed to follow James from the 1841. He marries first Margaret EDGAR in 1846, then Elizabeth DOW in 1864. I have him at various address in the Calton area from 1851 to 1881. So when I get my CRDS will be looking for his death between 1881 - 1891. At least, two of his children, James and Dugald ended up in USA.

Have tried to follow up on the David BARNSIDE that Ellen found marring in NY. He appears to have married Elizabeth HUGHES in Scotland, has three kids there, immigrates to USA c1860, has a couple more kids. Elizabeth must die as he then marries Mary Jane DOWD. Have him in 1870(New York aged 37 shoemaker) and 1880(Lynn, Essex, Massachusetts aged 48 Shoefactory) USA census.

Peter and Mary seem to have had a very troubled relationship. She is living back with him in the 1861, but as a Serv. Young Margarets birth is registered as Burnside with Peter obviously signing his name. She must have died as she is not on the 1861. Also have them on the 1871, in Calton, Peter 37, Mary 43 and Alexander 15.

Will definately look for Johns Death when I get my crds.

Hope Jeans Poor relief application has some leads on the parents. Will Keep my fingers crossed.

Again, thank you so much Jack.

Karen

[Rockford]

Hi Karen

I've been lurking on this thread for the past wee while in case there was a connection!

You're right that I have a Burnside/Young marriage in my family but this took place about 40 years after the censuses Jack has found. In c1860, my Burnsides were in Londonderry, Ireland as my great, great grandparents married there in 1859. I think that the Burnsides may have come from Scotland at some point, given the name and their religious convictions, but I don't know when!

My Youngs seem to come from Lanarkshire (Cambusnethan/Dalziel), but my great great grandfather seems to have been a bit uneasy with his parentage, as he never gave the same set (or indeed a full set) of parents twice - I haven't been able to find him before his first marriage in 1872.

I'll keep chipping away at it though - we might be related yet!!

Best wishes

Brian

[karenmcc]

Hi again Brian,

I looked back through your posts to try to work out if anything fit in and am more confussed than ever now:)

Have you managed to find anything more on your John YOUNG bc1854. Maybe his parents never married? Did you try finding him on previous census with surname ALLEN? or perhaps, if this were the case, mum could have remarried and he could be hiding under a stepfathers name.

Will definately be looking into the John BURNSIDE family, that the YOUNGS are boarding with in the 1851.

Karen

[karenmcc]

Hi Jack,

I thought I recognised that 1851 address. James (from the 1841) is living at 31 Greenvale st with wife and son John,3 in the 1851 census. I think I have this John transcribed as BURMSIDE on the 1871 living down the road from Peter.

Have had another look on Freecen too. I found John from the 1841 census who was living at Charley's Close. The street name is Canning St. At 59 Canning St in the 1841 census is Mathew BURNSIDE 58 Cotton HLW b Ireland and Wife Elizabeth 50 b ire. The plot thickens.

Karen

PS. Don't worry about how long it takes to get the Poorlaw application. I'm happy that anyone is getting it for me at all

[karenmcc]

Hi All,

Have found the death of John that the YOUNGs were visiting. He died 1871 in Bridgeton, married to Maria MacAULAY. His age is given as 51. Parent given as Alexander BURNSIDE cotton weaver, deceased and Jane ms KENNEDY, deceased.

It's just after 11 here and I'm too tired to think anymore, but I'm not quite sure where this one leaves me.

Karen

[Rockford]

Hi again Brian,
Have you managed to find anything more on your John YOUNG bc1854. Maybe his parents never married? Did you try finding him on previous census with surname ALLEN? or perhaps, if this were the case, mum could have remarried and he could be hiding under a stepfathers name.

Hi Karen,

I had thought that John's parents might not have been married - I found a couple of Jessie Allan's working as domestic servants in various places who were the right age to be his mum, but the problem was finding a sawyer called James Young in the same place!!

I never thought that he might have been born John Allan - I've lucked out so far in the census records, but there are three John Allan's born in Cambusnethan (x1) and Dalziel (x2) in 1855 and 1856, which could be him. I took a 50/50 and picked the Cambusnethan one, but it wisnae him. I've no credits for the other two, as I've already spent a fortune this weekend (including some England and Wales certificates - honestly, you'd think it was Christmas) and now need to show some restraint until payday

I'll keep you posted on whatever I find out once my wife gives me my credit card back........

Best wishes

Brian

[Jack]

Hi Karen,
Just thinking aloud....
John BURNSIDE's sister Ann (md. Thos.? McAULEY) was roughly 20 yrs older than Jane BURNSIDE.
And John himself was about 13 yrs older.
Perhaps just coincidence that Ann & John both married McAULEYs.
Anyway, did father Alexander BURNSIDE marry twice?
Firstly to Janet KENNEDY, then later to Margaret McDOUGALL?
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There is this short application for Maria McAULAY.
As you'll notice John's mother's surname is as KENNEDY, but forename unknown.
Maria always has born Ireland on her censuses, but here she says Reid St, B(arony).
Did John unthinkingly just always put the same as himself? ie Ireland.
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Barony Poor Relief Application. D-HEW. 14/18. Page 17058. Dist.3.
15 JUN 1863.
John BURNSIDE's Wife: Maria McAULAY.
32 Orr St.
Married. Husband, 49, b. Ireland. Wife, 46, b. Reid St, B.
Occup - Winder, idle 6 mos, no lodgers.
Married 31 yrs ago by Rev. Mr Larkin, 30 Monteith Row.
Children -
Margaret 15, b. James St.
John 12, b. James St.
Parents - Alexander BURNSIDE & ____ KENNEDY. Both Dead.
Residences -
Present Land...................Barony, 1yr.
Prior, 11 Greenvale St, Glasgow, 12 yrs.
Prior, James St............Barony, 7 yrs.
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Applied to City Parish on 15 Nov 1860,
and was sent to the Royal Infirmary for 9 wks? and got 2/- after she came out.
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Rent 6/8 mo. Gave 2/-
States that her husband being ill of asthma was advised to go to his relations in Ireland.
Settlement - Glasgow. Admitted 30 Jun 1863.
16 Jun 1863 - Roll 2/- wk. till admitted & grant truss?
15 Jun - Notice Glasgow.
17 Jun - Stat. Glasgow.
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There were actually 3 applications for Jane BURNSIDE, but alas nothing that helps identify her siblings.
She married twice - Robert YOUNG (you know of - in 1849) & Robert CARSON (in 1883).
Jane's birthplace & year is consistent throughout - ie Hamilton, 1830.
I'll send them on to you - save cluttering up your post.
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Jack

[karenmcc]

Thank you Jack,

Have looked at Jane YOUNG ms BURNSIDEs DC. And yes, she is widower 1st of Robert YOUNG, 2nd Robert CARSON. She dies 1895 age 60, and her daughter Margaret IRVING thinks her parents are James BURNSIDE weaver deceased and Mary ms McDOUGALL deceased.

Maria's Poorlaw application is interesting, saying her husband has been told to go to his relations in Ireland.

Haven't been able to track down the Mathew BURNSIDE 58 b IRE and wife Elizabeth who are living down the road from John and family in the 1841. Must be some sort of link there.

Have also got James' (bc 1825 from the 1841) death cert. He died 1890 age 65 at Montgomery st Eaglesham, Renfrew. (don't know what he was doing here? maybe staying with a daughter or something) parents are Alexander BURNSIDE and Margaret ms McDOUGALL. There is also a will on SP for this James. I have NEVER found a will for any of my lot. I doubt there would be anything on it to link up to my THOMAS, but will have to look when I work out how to anyway.

Also, when I was looking for John BURNSIDES death I came across one I couldn't help looking at. It was John BURNSIDE d1873 age 95y. The reason I looked at it was because of the location, New Cumnock. The family that my Thomas marries into has ties with Cumnock. This John was the widow of Elizabeth McDOUGALL. His parent are John (ag lab) and Mary ms WALKER. Have looked around on the IGI for this family group and found some records for them in Scotland, but with the father an ag lab they could have been back and for between Ireland and Scotland I suppose. Although it is probably all coincidence.

I wouldn't worry about cluttering up my post Jack, I seem to be doing a good job of it myself:)

Karen

[karenmcc]

Hi All,

for anyone who helped or was following this one, thought I should let you know I viewed the will for James. Unfortunately it only mentions his wife and son, Dugald.

I still believe I have the correct family, although I will not be adding them to my tree. Maybe oneday I will find the info that links them up.

Karen