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Re: death record

Post by Ina » Wed Jan 05, 2011 2:41 am

I agree Russell, a lot of not so nice going ons in places like the Greenock Asylum........if only walls could talk. Such a shame that so many ended up in such places.

The Little Sisters of the Poor also ran a poorhouse in Greenock.......wonder if that was as bad?

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Re: death record

Post by SarahND » Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:53 am

Mc Fadyen wrote: On the death IT looked like Manic Nephritis what is this.
Hi Jan,
Could that read Chronic Nephritis? I have seen a number of death certificates with that cause of death. Google the term and you will see many descriptions of the condition.

All the best,
Sarah

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Re: death record

Post by Mc Fadyen » Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:18 pm

Hi I just want to thank every one who helped find a death for John ,I have been looking for some time and posted on other sites
but had no joy. Also I have learnt more and did not realize that my aunt Mary got married in Scotland so her 3 children must have been
born up there. I must try to find John wife Agnes death now,if only I had asked my dad more things.
Thanks again Jan

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Re: death record

Post by Currie » Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:43 pm

In Parliamentary Papers there are reports on Mental Institutions. For Scotland, pre WW1, they came from the Commissioners in Lunacy. From about 1914 they came from the General Board of Control. The difference in the amount of detail provided is quite noticeable. There’s no mention of the inmates opinion of the place.


1914 [Cd. 7404] Fifty-sixth annual report of the General Board of Commissioners in Lunacy for Scotland.

GREENOCK PAROCHIAL ASYLUM,
28th January 1913.

The asylum was last visited on 18th September 1912, when there were 210 patients resident. Since then 26 men and 8 women have been admitted, 6 men and 5 women have been discharged, and 6 men and 3 women have died.
There are at this date 224 patients on the register, of whom 128 are men and 96 women.
All the patients were resident, and were seen in the course of the visit.
The deaths are registered as due to senile decay in 2 cases, to heart disease in 2 cases, and to the following diseases in one case each:—phthisis, general paralysis, exhaustion from acute mania, and epilepsy. One patient died as the result of scalding, which occurred while he was being bathed. Post mortem examinations were made only in 3 instances. It is highly desirable that an effort should be made to obtain the sanction of the relatives to such examinations, whenever it is possible to do so.
The death from scalding is the only accident which has happened to any of the patients in the interval since the previous visit. The subject—a male patient—suffered from general paralysis, and was constantly confined to bed. His habits were faulty, and he required to be often cleaned. On the evening of 2nd January last he was taken into the bathroom for this purpose by one of the junior attendants. While the attendant was engaged in running the water into the bath, and when his back was turned, the patient, according to the attendant's statement, stepped into the bath and slipped down, with the result that he was severely scalded and died 15 hours later. This fatality was immediately reported to the Procurator Fiscal, who held an inquiry at the asylum, as the result of which he decided that no criminal proceedings could be taken against the attendant for culpability in the performance of his duties. The attendant who bathed the patient was, after the Fiscal's investigation, dismissed by the asylum authorities on the ground that he had infringed the rules of the asylum, with regard to the bathing of patients. The charge attendant was asked to resign on the ground that he had entrusted a responsible duty to a junior attendant. An inquiry into the same matter has been held at the instance of the General Board of Lunacy.
There are no entries in the Register of Restraint and Seclusion. A male patient escaped, and was absent for 19 days from the asylum before being brought back.
The patients as a whole presented a healthy, well-cared-for appearance. They were suitably and warmly clad, and the dinner provided in the dining-hall to-day, which consisted of Scotch broth, boiled beef, and bread, was a well-cooked, liberal, and nutritious meal. Of the 224 patients in the asylum, 145, or 65 per cent., were sufficiently ablebodied to engage in ordinary out-door and domestic forms of work. Seventy-nine patients—41 men and 38 women—were infirm and unable for work. Of the latter number 20 were confined to bed for the treatment of mental symptoms, for bodily illness or on account of senile infirmity. The care and the nursing of these patients in the hospitals attached to the male and female side respectively were in all respects satisfactory. It was particularly observed that the medical treatment of these patients receives more than ordinary attention from Dr. Laurie and Dr. Rutherfurd, the resident Medical Officer. All the more modern forms of treatment are liberally resorted to and, in many cases, with marked success.
The wards and dormitories were found clean and in good order, and the heating and ventilation of the rooms is carefully attended to. Inquiry elicited the fact that there are only 2 patients in the asylum—a man and a woman—suffering from phthisis. This immunity from active phthisis is probably attributable to the careful ventilation and the feeding of the patients.
Since the last visit, 12 boarders have been received from the Glasgow authorities. Of the 12 all are male patients.
Among many minor structural alterations which have recently been completed, it was observed that brightly coloured cork carpet has been laid down on all the corridors on the ground floor of the asylum. This has had an excellent effect in not only deadening the sound of feet, but also in brightening the corridors. The whole of the male side is being repainted, and at present the outlying part of the male side, known as Number 3, is being repainted, and the wash-hand basins in that division are being renewed. In the meantime the patients occupying Number 3 have been removed to the other outlying division of the male side known as Number 2. It is learned that this latter division is about to be repainted, and that wash-hand basins are to be placed in the recess of the stair landing on the first floor. This division has never been regarded as very suitable for accommodating patients, and it compares most unfavourably with other parts of the asylum. If it is to be continued in use as accommodation for lunatics, it is strongly urged upon the Asylum Committee that radical changes and improvements should be made on the interior of the building. In addition to the painting of the walls of the staircase and all the rooms in bright enamel colours (for it must be remembered that this division is only lighted on one side), some form of artificial heat should be introduced into the staircase or into the individual rooms, and the whole furnishings of the rooms should be renewed and made more comfortable.
The books and registers were examined and found correct.


GREENOCK PAROCHIAL ASYLUM,
19th September, 1913.

Compared with the number on the register on 28th January 1913, the date of the previous visit, there is a decrease of 1.
All the patients—223—were individually seen, and were found in good health generally. There was a relatively large number of patients labouring under sub-acute excitement, and as there are at present no means of special treatment by hydropathic and electrical appliances—remedies found to be most useful in such cases—the Parish Council are asked to consider the advisability of providing the appliances in question.
Thirty-eight patients have been admitted, 25 have been discharged as recovered, 3 have been discharged not recovered, and 11 have died. The large proportion of patients who have been discharged as recovered has prevented what, in normal circumstances, would have been an increase in the number in the Institution. Calculated on the admission rate, this proportion is 65.8 per cent.; it is thus 28.4 per cent, higher than the average recovery rate of Scottish asylums generally—a fact that reflects much credit on the medical staff.
Four patients died of the exhaustion from mental disease, 2 of senile decay, 1 of general paralysis of the insane, 1 of cerebral softening, 1 of pulmonary tuberculosis, 1 of pneumonia (secondary to cut throat, self inflicted, and previous to admission), and 1 of pulmonary congestion.
Seventy-two patients were confined to bed in the hospitals for treatment of mental or bodily disease or a combination of these conditions. The hospitals were found in good order, and the nursing is capable and efficient. In the male hospital some of the patients have the advantage of treatment in the open air.
There were 72 entries in the Register of Seclusion. They refer to the seclusion of 3 persons for a few hours for each entry on account of violent and dangerous tendencies. There is no doubt that this large amount of seclusion would be much lessened if the Parish Council introduced means for the more appropriate treatment of these cases, as previously adverted to.
There have been no escapes.
The suitable and beneficial employment of the patients was adequately attended to.
Two accidents were recorded: 1 man fractured a rib by falling out of bed; another male patient inflicted a wound on his right wrist by dashing his hand through a window.
Dinner of broth, bread, fresh herrings, and potatoes was served to the patients. The dinner was well cooked, sufficient, and appetising.
The patients were comfortably clad, and their well-being amply looked after in the sitting-rooms and dormitories, which were all found to be scrupulously clean.
A large amount of repainting has been done throughout the Institution, and it was noticed with approval that three blocks of houses, to accommodate 12 tradesmen and attendants, were in course of erection. Nothing conduces to the welfare of the patients so much as a staff of nurses and attendants who intend to make the work of asylum nursing their life work, and the opportunities afforded to the attendants of marrying are steps in this direction.
In the previous report radical changes in Number 2 Division on the male side were recommended. These have not been carried out, and as it is proposed to introduce 20 boarders from Glasgow Parish to this Division, it is strongly urged that improvements to bring this Division into line with the other parts of the Institution should be carried out at once. It is true that the patients at present accommodated in this part of the building are out-of-doors working most of the day; but there must be many days in the year when these patients have to be indoors, and it is only fair to the most deserving class that their surroundings should be as bright, cheerful, and comfortable as they can reasonably be made.
The administration of the Institution is ably conducted.
The case books are well kept, and the statutory registers were found on examination to be correct.


1920 [Cmd. 794] Sixth annual report of the General Board of Control for Scotland.

Greenock Parochial Asylum.
Inspected 3rd April and 11th August 1919.

For several years previous to the war the attention of the Asylum Committee was drawn to the unsatisfactory state of Number 2 Male Division. This unsatisfactory condition still exists, and in the interests of the patients it is imperative that these defects should be remedied forthwith. If improvement in the circumstances of the patients in this division cannot be effected at a very early date, the patients should be boarded in some other institution pending a proper arrangement for their care and treatment in this hospital.
The general health of the patients was found good, the clothing was neat, tidy, and sufficient, and the surroundings in the several wards, dormitories, and hospital divisions, with the exception above mentioned, were such as to contribute to the welfare and comfort of the patients. The care and treatment of the patients is kindly and considerate, and the management of the institution is thoughtful and effective.


Hope that’s interesting,
Alan

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Re: death record

Post by Montrose Budie » Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:08 pm

Mc Fadyen wrote:Hi Andrew just wanted to ask what was the Parochial Asylum what sort of illness would have to go there. On the death
IT looked like Manic Nephritis what is this.
Jan
It's definitely manic and not chronic.

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Re: death record

Post by SarahND » Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:36 pm

Hi all,
Having looked at the image, I think the cause of death is given as two separate things:

Mania
Nephritis

There would have been enough room on the first line to put both, if the terms had been meant to go together. And a final 'a' fits more with what I am seeing than a final 'c'

Regards,
Sarah

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Re: death record

Post by Russell » Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:57 pm

Now that make more sense to me than the initial combination.
By 1913 they were able to diagnose Type 1 and Type 2 Nephritis and his Mania would have been a completely separate psychiatric diagnosis.

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Re: death record

Post by Montrose Budie » Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:55 pm

I'll certainly go for mania rather than manic from the register entry.

As the registration system developed it became increasingly common to give details of multiple causes of death, most often on separate lines; later taking the form, -

I. Cause A
II. Cause B

...and so on up to the 20th C and the present day, -

Ia. Cause A1
b. Cause B2 .... and so on if required.

IIa. Cause B1
b. Cause B2 .... and so on if required.

..... and so on if required

Registrars were regularly reminded to encourage doctors in their district to record the
cause[s] in this manner, since the derived statistics were of importance to various authorities, as well as life insurance companies.

The medical death certificate completed by the certifying medical attendant which had to given to the registrar used the exact same format over the years.

The medical certificate of death was required from 1855 onwards, the original act stating in section XLI, -

The medical person who shall have been in attendance during the last illness, and until the death of the person, shall, within 14 days after the death of such person, and under a penalty not exceeding forty shillings [[a not inconsiderable ca. £150 in modern day terms - mb comment]] in case of failure, transmit to the Registrar a certificate of such death, in the form of Schedule (G) hereunto annexed, the particulars of which shall forthwith be entered by the Registrar in the Register; and the Registrar shall from time to time furnish gratis to every medical person within his parish or district known to him, or who shall require the same, the necessary copies of such certificates.

The 14 day period was reduced by the 1860 amending act to 7 days.


For the moment I can't see where, if anywhere, there is the definition of the process where there was no medical attendant. I'm sure that we've all seen a death register entry where, while the cause of death is given, e.g. 'old age', there are also the words 'no medical attendant'.

Very strictly speaking, in such a situation, the Registrar should have reported the death to the Procurator Fiscal and awaited his advice as to cause, but I'm sure that common sense most often prevailed, especially in smaller rural parishes, where the detailed situation would be widely known, possibly even by the Registrar; and even in larger urban parishes where an advanced age would be a significant clue !

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Re: death record

Post by Currie » Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:15 am

This book seems to cover the situation, maybe? (Note that Insoluble Urinary Constituents, Toxines, and Nervous Influences are in italics in the book, the underlining is mine.)

“Medical Diagnosis” by Charles Lyman Greene, 1910, p378. http://books.google.com.au/books?id=zGx ... CDIQ6AEwAg

“………. These cause trouble only when ingested in excessive doses or for too long a period. Insoluble Urinary Constituents. Uric acid, calcium oxalate, cystin, acid urates and phosphates, as constituents of "gravel " or "calculi,"' are the chief factors. Toxines. These may be divided into three groups: (1) Those associated with acute febrile infections and especially with the exanthemata and certain virulent tropical diseases, of which yellow fever is the chief. (2). Suppuration with septic absorption. (3). Chronic diseases, such as syphilis, gout, malaria, pulmonary tuberculosis, diabetes mellitus and certain of the anemias. Nervous Influences. It has been customary to place under this head the nephritis attending such conditions as acute mania, delirium tremens and the so-called ascending or reflex congestions connected with diseases of the bladder, seminal vesicles, urethra and the prostrate. It is probable that this is incorrect. In many cases of acute mania nephritis is the antecedent factor of which mania may be but a symptom. In delirium tremens the habits of the individual, the likelihood of pre-existing disease, the exposure and exhaustion attending a debauch, leave little room for the older classification. In the case of the so-called reflex or ascending congestion, save in the rarest instances, we are dealing with an extension of infection.”

Russell's 'mere guess' is looking good.

Alan

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Re: death record

Post by Mc Fadyen » Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:43 pm

Hi thanks to every one who gave the results to the medical cause of John death.
Jan
Mania Nephritis