Taken aback & need a point in right direction please

[Russell]

Hi Donna

Youre right. A fine malt is a cure for a bit of depression so I'll be a happy chappy for quite a while.
I used to do the First-Aid certificate re-examinations at Ardeer for a short while and had to swot up on some of the dangers they faced in there. Some of the chemicals they were working with were quite scary. Concentrated acids especially.
Jack mentioned the effects and one that fascinated me was the effect of Nitroglycerine causing palpitations and headache. In my medical life we used to use Glyceryl Trinitrate (basically the same stuff) as a remedy for Angina. I think it was the experiences of workers in places like Ardeer which led to the bizarre link.
Jack! You've got me wondering what the post-retiral life chances were for Ardeer workers. Mmmmh k

Russell

[DavidWW]

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Anyway Russell, you missed sampling your fine selection of Malts of your list!

Best wishes
Donna
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Just so long as we're talking a single cask, non-chill filtered Malt

David

[DavidWW]

Hi Donna

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I used to do the First-Aid certificate re-examinations at Ardeer for a short while and had to swot up on some of the dangers they faced in there. Some of the chemicals they were working with were quite scary. Concentrated acids especially.
Jack mentioned the effects and one that fascinated me was the effect of Nitroglycerine causing palpitations and headache. In my medical life we used to use Glyceryl Trinitrate (basically the same stuff) as a remedy for Angina. I think it was the experiences of workers in places like Ardeer which led to the bizarre link.
Jack! You've got me wondering what the post-retiral life chances were for Ardeer workers. Mmmmh k

Russell

Many years ago I led an IChemE sponsored visit to Ardeer for chemical engineering students from Strathclyde University.

My enduring memory is the original operator control method in the production of TNT - trinitrotoluene, - plant.

The production of TNT involves a highly exothermic chemical reaction, i.e. great amounts of heat are produced, and, unless the cooling of this reaction is closely controlled, the reaction will go out of control, with a massive explosion resulting.

The original process control method?, - a one-legged stool for the operator.

Despite much more modern and up-to-date process control methods, it is still the case at installations such as Ardeer, that all doors and exits from the production plant involved open outwards

David

[StewL]

...Just to look clinically at the whys and wherefors. Depression in the elderly is not uncommon for a variety of reasons , some physical, some psychological and back then they had 100 times more reason to become depressed compared to our situation now...
In their day they worked till they dropped unless they had managed to save something for their old age. What did they do when that money was used up?...

As Russell correctly pointed out depression in older people is a very common afflictition. It is not new remember Winston Churchill and his black dog! Recently older men have been identified as at a higher risk of depression due to a number of factors, not only physical and cognitive debility, but as a feeling that they have nothing to contribute to society. Over here in Oz we have a a couple of very high profile politicians including a state premier who have resigned through depression. Another former state politician is patron of the beyondblue foundation, he too suffers/ed from depression. I previously worked in a mental health service and there were a few older male patients, not yet at retirement age who were severely depressed through accidents both work and external, which robbed them of the functions they previously had.

Fortunately now, men are admitting to the fact that they get depression, instead of hiding behind a facade of male bravado.

[joette]

Yes depression for the young/old,male/female is an enormous burden.
I suffered myself following the death of my Granny-even now when I witness a car crash etc I can be crying for hours.
My brother-in-law a very grounded,happy,hard-working man has been fighting this demon for the last six years.His younger brother followed by his twin committed suicide within six weeks of each other.
We understood there reasons-again both had struggled with depression like their Mother before them but the effect it has has on the family is indescriable.It has rippled out to places you would not believe.
I feel such compassion for people who come to this crossroad-what despair there must be to want to take you from this life.I want to grab them & let them know they are loved,there is hope.
To know what agony you are going to cause your loved ones but then to feel there is no other course available must be the pit of despair.
Also remember that a lot of depression is hidden behind anti-social behaviour,drug/alcohol abuse& social isolation.Sometimes even a painted smile.

[Jockbird]

Evening all.

For any of you who were wondering, the RCE (which was looked up by a very kind person on this site...you know who you are and thanks again) did not contain any extra info, other than the fact that my Greatgrandfather was last seen at 10 a.m., he died around 11.15.

Thank you to all of you or your input on this topic.

Best wishes
Donna
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[annpa]

Just came across this topic.

I have two who came to their end in the River Clyde.

One was found in 1944 at quarter past one in the morning in the river having last been seen one and threequarter hours previously (11.30 pm) as he left the pub. The DC says felo de se, but honestly I think he must just have fallen in, being known for enjoying his tipple, perhaps too much that evening.

the second was from a completely different part of the family, the husband of one of my distant rellies. he was found in the water in berth 13 at the docks on the clyde in 1907. I have to do some research but perhaps, as he was a customs officer, there might have been some foul play, or on the other hand he might just have fallen in. Don't know whether I will ever find out.

The one definite suicide I have happened very recently and was just that, but still very difficult for us to deal with.

cheers
Annpa

[Jockbird]

Hi Annpa,

Knowing how shocked I was with a suicide over 60 years ago, to suffer one recently must be so very difficult.

My hope was that those around understood why me relative had done it. Having found out that for, at least, the next 12 years after his death a Memoriam was put in the local paper by at least one member, sometimes all, of his family, make me feel that they understood why he had to take those actions.

Very sad no matter when it happens.

Donna
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