Painting on masthead RFHS web ?

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Re: Painting on masthead RFHS web ?

Post by marilyn morning » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:13 am

Bruce wrote
On my first visit on here for a while I am amazed to see a web address which is a link for a photograph posted as an informative reply to another member ,removed so as not to be mistaken as a plug for financial gain,if everyone who was as helpful as westender always appears to be had their helpful links removed ,I doubt there would be much point coming on the site to start with.seems a strange rule to me ,and one that makes an admins job very difficult if not impossible to do without causing upset,unless of course common sense is applied to the decisions made.

Bruce
Hi Bruce,

Having been on the receiving end of westender's generosity, I am fully aware (which was stated) that the purpose of the link was not posted for any financial gain on his part, rather just the opposite. However, when you would click on the link and scrolled to the bottom of the page a service to take photographs for a small donation was listed along with a "pay pal" option, which is the reason the link was removed. Do I personally think that westender is making a profit off of the donations for the service being offered? "No" I do not, but others on this site might view it differently. Believe me its a fine line and the decision to remove the link was not taken lightly, however TS has a very strict policy and its been in place since the creation of TS. The rule was written for a reason and its always a "Catch 22" when a decision such as this needs to be made.

Awfully sorry to have upset anyone and if you would like to discuss this matter further, please feel free to drop me a "pm" or e-mail.

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Re: Painting on masthead RFHS web ?

Post by bruceseaton » Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:17 am

No thanks Marilyn I won't be back here I'm affraid,If thats the way the site operates then its not for me ,nothing against you personally ,we've got on great in the past ,but I think TS should take a long look at itself and ask if its really such an important site that that people are queueing up to advertise on it ,I think they would find out they are not.
Westender was in no way ,shape or form advertising his site for profit,regardless of a paypal button,he was as usual helping out another member of your site!

As I said before common sense should prevail ,and if anyone had complained then admin could have put them right,and to be honest if anyone had complained then they must lead a very quiet life if thats all they have to deal with!

Bruce
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Re: Painting on masthead RFHS web ?

Post by westender » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:26 am

You have summed that up beautifully Bruce thanks for your support.

So im of the understanding that its because of a Pay-pal donation button ! TS admins should be getting together and re dong the sites rules urgently to put in a bit of common sense, after all me seeking donations via a button thats incidentally never been used or donated too is surely better that the unsolicited e-mails i received in the past from TS seeking me to buy tickets for a yearly lottery to fund the site to help the running costs and keep it advert free, obviously one rule for one and one for another maybe that was within the TS "fine line", to me that was financial gain maybe TS rules should of applied to there own e-mails !

Its obvious there is other reasons unknown to me about how the excuse of a Pay-Pal button is being used after all when Marilyn edited the post she added another sites address that also seeks Donations, one ule for one and other rules for others it seems thats definately no way for admins to run a site.

Just wish there was a exit left smilie on the right of the screen as now exit left never to return to TS.

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Re: Painting on masthead RFHS web ?

Post by bruceseaton » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:52 am

Its the most ridiculous thing I've ever come across ,I can fully understand spam or blatant advertising being blocked but this one really has amazed me.
The fact that it was edited before any complaints also makes it worse,though as I said before if thats all anyone has to complain about in their life at the moment then they are very lucky !!!

Well I think its time for Elvis to leave the building too :)
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Re: Painting on masthead RFHS web ?

Post by marilyn morning » Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:23 am

Gentlemen,

Due to our time difference and the fact that I need to go to my day job, I'll need to reply later on this evening.

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Re: Painting on masthead RFHS web ?

Post by marilyn morning » Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:26 am

westender wrote
is surely better that the unsolicited e-mails i received in the past from TS seeking me to buy tickets for a yearly lottery to fund the site to help the running costs and keep it advert free,
TalkingScot has never sent out an unsolicited e-mail requesting that any of our members buy tickets to a lottery. However, a message is posted here on the TS website.

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Re: Painting on masthead RFHS web ?

Post by nancy » Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:32 pm

Think its time ELVIS's mum left the building as well.
What's happened on here should never have happened,think it is a bit too strict
Westender helps all who ask for it and also helped out whilst TS were having probs so I have to leave it at that. :(

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Re: Painting on masthead RFHS web ?

Post by marilyn morning » Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:02 am

Nancy, Bruce and westender there seem to be a total misunderstanding here and if you would stop the simmering for a minute and allow me the time to explain, I would be most appreciative. On a personal note the three of you are some of the most kind-hearted people that I have ever had the pleasure of associating with. Especially Nancy, because she was the first personal contact that I had with Scotland. To read your comments is very upsetting to me, because I know just how “upset” you all must be to post them. I Personally am well aware of the countless hours westender has poured into his project and the decision made the other evening was not a personal attack, it was purely a business decision on my part. Truly, I was torn between leaving the link alone and removing it. However, if I left it alone, then that would not be fair to all of the countless other links that had to be removed on TS over the years. Its TalkingScot’s Policy and not our own personal decision to make. The guidelines (which I will discuss in a moment) of TalkingScot were created for a specific reason and every member is asked to read them when they become a member of TalkingScot.

ESSENTIAL READING
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In mid 2004, the discussion board on Scotland’s People failed and a group of their members created TalkingScot. They agreed upon the Essential Reading Forum to create a set of guidelines to abide by. On Dec 7, 2004 the word spread through the Genealogy world that TalkingScot was up and running, allowing a forum for many members of the former SPDG who were aching for a place to meet up once again to continue their research. Soon afterwards, the Welcome e-mails started to be sent out to all of the new members joining the site, asking for them to review the above link. Unfortunately, many of the members are too excited to get their research started and skip the suggestion to give a read over. The rules might seem strict to some, but they are in place to protect the rights of Living People for example. Not everyone will agree or understand the logic placed behind many of the rules, but that’s a fact we have to face one day at a time. I suppose to anyone who doesn’t visit TS that often and then may see a thread such as this, they might think that the removal of a link is based on some fly by night decision. Trust me its not.

To address some of the points made in regards to the removal of westender’s link. It was a very difficult decision to make and one that I had to set my personal feeling aside for the above reasons. For anyone following this thread, westender would bend over backwards to help a fellow researcher and is a very talented Photographer and records many of the events held in Scotland. His hobby is well documented and he has received many acknowledgments in the local newspaper for his accomplishments and rightly so. Well done westender! With that being said, I can certainly understand Nancy and Bruce jumping to his defense and I don’t take their position personally. I write this note with great sadness to see them so very upset with what was a business decision.

The removal of westender’s link was based upon the fact that if you scrolled to the bottom of the page, a service was offered for a donation or a small fee (I’m certain he would give the info for free, but heck with the cost of petrol, etc a small fee would be most reasonable) The reason I posted the link to Paisley.org which also includes a Pay Pal link for donations, was for Alan Sharp's benefit and to give our members who were interested in your information, an avenue to get in touch with westender. The logic behind that decision was based upon the fact that Paisley.org accepted donations to cover expenses of the continuing operating expenses of their board and not personal gain. By this, I am not implying that westender was posting his link for any personal gain, but the sheer fact that the paragraph was included in the link went against the rules of TS and therefore it had to be removed.

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When I first became a member of the Administration Group of TS, I suggested the Tombola as a fund raising event and have been involved first- hand from its creation and I can assure you personally, that an e-mail was never sent out to any of the members of this board. However, as previously stated there have been many messages posted on the site to raise awareness to the upcoming event over the past five years.

TalkingScot is no way shape or form feels superior to any other Genealogy Board on the internet, quite the opposite, we’re just a small group of volunteers who enjoy helping people from around the world continue down the path of researching their family history.

Paisley.org was generous enough to allow me to create a thread on their site, when TalkingScot crashed a few years back and we would gladly reciprocate if the tides were turned. Our site went down due to no fault of our own and we greatly appreciated your site allowing us to spread the messages on your board.

I truly hope you accept this explanation and would be most pleased if you would visit TS every now and then.

Respectfully
Marilyn

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Re: Painting on masthead RFHS web ?

Post by Alan SHARP » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:49 am

Tuesday April 26th
westender wrote:Hi Alan,

Quote .....................Owner and Admin of other site quoted as............"If I get really desperate, I'll have to drop them a line"
Greetings again "westender"

Upon re-reading this post, there is a point I would like to publicly clarify. Because of the slowness of my dial-up email [country dweller] the Paisley site with all it's illustrative content, and add-ons, is very slow to register on my computer. Minutes – not seconds.

1. When I made the April 2nd post, including the quote above, and the CHATTY reference, I was unaware of who "owned and or operated" the site. I did not intend my comments to be about the Paisley site BLOG, but the chatty nature of the forum threads that I read. I found them more social, than the research threads I was used to reading, on the two Genealogy forums that I regularly read, looking for clues re research in Scotland. The other side of the world from where I live, and from where all help offered, is greatly appreciated.

For a number of years I’ve read both RootsChat and TalkingScot forums, and more recently participated on TalkingScot, who’s admin team have been very accommodating and helpful to me. I have issues with remembering pass words, so have only signed on, to a very small number of web sites, including ones to do with my farming business interests.

2. "westender" the name you advised me in a PM, to consult at the Art Museum Section is, I'm told, only working part time at the moment, and should be getting back to me in a week or two. Hopefully they will be able to fill me in with the information I'm seeking, so I'll keep the thread informed. It would be nice if we can get closure

Thank you,

Alan SHARP.

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Re: Painting on masthead RFHS web ?

Post by Alan SHARP » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:36 am

Greetings again.

With a bit of luck, this time, this quest, is finally drawing to a close. I've had not one, but several individuals, making contact with the RFHS and the Paisley Abbey / Museum, on our behalf. This has come about through an exchange of information, re several posts expressing concern, on both TalkingScot and also RootsChat.

I'm now advised that the Original Painting, is located in the Paisley Abbey after all, and access #1; to take a photograph has been granted and #2; for collecting any notations regarding the Artist, date he painted the scene, and the dating of the scene. I am also advised that the version on the RFHS web site, is a later pencil drawing taken from an engraving of the original, nearly as complicated as milking a cow, you can’t tell one from the udder.

I eagerly await further developments. Thanks to all who have had an input, these last eight months or so.

Alan SHARP.

Edit: changed seven to eight months. Jan 4 - Sept 13, 2011.