muir: hit a bickwall

deano · Post by **deano** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:58 pm

Hello All,

Yes Sarah, i saw them, the twins i mean, the McAllister, family she is living with, well on the 1851. census index this family is right next to her again, no sign of the McKay, twins, but she has Jane, and Elizabeth, aged 5 years, with her.

Regards,
Jonn.

katrina42 · Post by **katrina42** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:02 pm

So my gggg gran Elizabeth mclelland had two sets of twins to two different people and not my gggg grandfather

Post by **SarahND** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:03 pm

Yep, John

I've got them all in my notes, but didn't want to overwhelm Katrina with them while she's still looking for James

Katrina, I just checked the catalogue for the National Archives of Scotland, and Kirk Session records do exist for that time and place. You'd need to get up to Edinburgh to see them on the computers there, or find someone to do it for you. They are not (correct me if I'm wrong here, folks!) yet indexed, but if you know the approximate time, you can read the relevant pages. And fascinating reading it is to be sure

Regards,
Sarah

Post by **SarahND** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:05 pm

katrina42 wrote:So my gggg gran Elizabeth mclelland had two sets of twins to two different people and not my gggg grandfather

No, it was her mother, if I have this straight... Jean Niven had twin boys in abt 1840 to a man named McKay, then twin girls in abt 1846 (Elizabeth being one of them) to a man named McClelland (who is presumably your ggggg grandfather).

Hope I have this right

Sarah

katrina42 · Post by **katrina42** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:10 pm

I have him as a william mclelland, it's on elizabeth's wedding certificate.

Post by **SarahND** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:11 pm

What was his occupation? Maybe we can find him in the early censuses in the vicinity of Jean Niven...

katrina42 · Post by **katrina42** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:13 pm

He was a carter

Post by **SarahND** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:30 pm

k Nothing obvious, if that was his real name and his real occupation... Let's hope the kirk session members had a good time with this and discussed it in detail

katrina42 · Post by **katrina42** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:54 pm

I have Elizabeth's death certificate too and william mclelland is the name on it too along with jane wich has been changed to jean mclelland nee niven, and his occupation was a mason.i am still looking for information on agnes mcwilliam,have found one living in girvin aged 28 in 1851 which sounds about right age but cannot find a marriage to my muir yet .

deano · Post by **deano** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:15 pm

Hello Katrina,

The marriage James Muir, Agnes Mcwilliam, is 1865, Ayr, Ayr.

Thats provided it is your James Muir, i would take the chance just in case it is him.

There is also a death for a Jane Niven, 1893, age 81, Ayr, Ayr. which could be your Jane.

Regards,
Jonn.