Shepherd and Clyne, parents of Wm Shepherd b.c.1847

sheilago · Post by **sheilago** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:30 pm

I have another mystery. I have found my ggg grandfather William Shepherd who married Elizabeth Croall in 1867 at Dunottar, Kincardineshire. He was born around 1847 in Guthrie,Angus. His parents were stated as William Shepherd( labourer) and Isabella Clyne. However I cannot find their marriage (despite Isabella's quite unusual name) or William Shepherd senior's death. I know he was dead by 1867 when son married. I have found the death of an Isabella Shepherd m.s. Clyne in 1900 in Arbroath, which could be her, but have no proof. It gives William's occ as Railway signalman - is this poss if he died by 1867? It doesn't tie in with occ on son's marriage record. I also cannot find William & Isabella in the Census - if son William was born in Guthrie I thought perhaps they were in Angus in 1851, but can't find a trace of them in 1851 or 1861.

PaulaD · Post by **PaulaD** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:54 pm

Hi Sheilago,

I've found on Ancestry 1841 a William Shepherd age 4 born CO Angus, Perthshire togther with his parents William and Issabell Shepheard

living in Wellington Row Coupar Angus. His Dad is a gardener.

In 1851 the same family has moved to Washington, Meigle, Perthshire - Dad still a gardener. No sign of William Jr.

Are you sure William was born in Guthrie Angus or could it have been Coupar Angus, Perthshire?

Paula

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:12 pm

This looks like William and Isabella in 1841 -

Piece: SCT1841/317 Place: Rescobie -Angus Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Rescobie Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 1 Page: 1
Address: East Carsebank

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SHEPHERD William M 20 Ag Lab Outside Census County (1841)
SHEPHERD Isobell F 20 Angus
SHEPHERD Margaret F 2m Angus
CLYNE Ann F 15 Linen Hand Loom Weaver Angus

And a list of their children -

Results for: Father: William Shepherd, Mother: Isabella Clyne

1. DAVID SHEPHARD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 04 MAR 1863 Kirkden, Angus, Scotland

2. HELEN SHEPHARD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 18 JUL 1852 Kirkden, Angus, Scotland

3. ALEXANDER SHEPHARD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 28 JUN 1854 Kirkden, Angus, Scotland

4. ANN FYFE SHEPHARD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 30 JUN 1861 Kirkden, Angus, Scotland

5. ISABELLA SHEPHERD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: JUN 1850 Kirkden, Angus, Scotland

6. ISABEL SHEPHARD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 26 MAY 1856 Kirkden, Angus, Scotland

7. WILLIAM ALEXANDER SHEPHARD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 11 JUN 1848 Kirkden, Angus, Scotland

8. JOHN SHEPHERD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 28 JUL 1846 Rescobie, Angus, Scotland

9. JAMES SHEPHERD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 29 OCT 1842 Rescobie, Angus, Scotland

10. MARGARET SHEPHERD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 02 MAY 1841 Forfar, Angus, Scotland

So it looks like William snr was still alive in 1862.

Regards,
Annette M

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:16 pm

Later.....................here's the marriage

WILLM. SHEPHERD Pedigree
Male Family

Marriages:
Spouse: ISOBEL CLYNE Family
Marriage: 07 JUN 1840 Forfar, Angus, Scotland

Regards,
Annette M

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:15 pm

Looks like William died in Kirkden in 1863.

Search for Shephard.

Regards,
Annette M

sheilago · Post by **sheilago** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:23 pm

Thankyou once again everyone for your help, especially Annette, who seems to have found them. Looks like Isabella's sister Ann Clyne is staying with them in 1841, which adds to the likelihood that this is the correct family. You are all so clever - I've obviously got a lot more to learn about searching, though I'm picking up tips all the time from this web-site.

sheilago · Post by **sheilago** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:51 pm

Just to let Annette know that I checked the death record for 1863 and it is my Wm Shephard. He died in the line of duty (as a railway pointsman) when he was run over by an engine at Guthrie Station. He left a wife and 10 children - no compensation in those days! I will try to find out what happened to them. Thanks again, Sheila

Post by **AndrewP** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:47 pm

In 1871 she has only the youngest two at home with her, and only the youngest one with her in 1881. I see a probable sighting of her on her own in 1891, and she died before the 1901 census.

All the best,

AndrewP

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:51 pm

sheilago wrote:Just to let Annette know that I checked the death record for 1863 and it is my Wm Shephard. He died in the line of duty (as a railway pointsman) when he was run over by an engine at Guthrie Station. He left a wife and 10 children - no compensation in those days! I will try to find out what happened to them. Thanks again, Sheila

Hello Sheila,

Glad the research is going well and I see Andrew has given you another few pointers.

Just to let you know when I searched for the family in Angus at SP I used shep*rd in the surname box and hopefully that covers all variations on the name.

Regards,
Annette M

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Shepherd and Clyne, parents of Wm Shepherd b.c.1847

Shepherd and Clyne, parents of Wm Shepherd b.c.1847

Checked Wm's death record

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