Need Help with this one !!

Linda Malpass · Post by **Linda Malpass** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:13 pm

Hi Everyone and Happy New Years !!

I am hoping someone can help me this scenerio .... While looking at the online records at NAS a couple of months ago I found under Records of Fatal Accidents Inquiries a "William Henderson McCracken"

SC6/15/1956/17
Fatal Accident Inquiry: William Henderson McCracken, colliery hopper attendant, 31 Lime Road, New Cumnock, Ayrshire, died on 27 September 1956 in the ambulance room at Knockshinnoch Castle Colliery, parish of New Cumnock, Ayrshire, when he was struck by a derailed hutch of a moving train of hutches
Notes of evidence, petition and warrant, minutes and verdict, loose paper

I sent off an email to GRO as I was not able to find this death on SP. Here is GRO reply:

I can confirm that there IS a death record for a William Henderson
McCracken, dying in New Cumnock in 1956 - this is registered in 1957,
and will appear on the website www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk on the first
of January next year - not long to go now!

However, I have to say, that this William Henderson McCracken died on a
different date to the one you have, although it is in the same area, so
I can only assume it is the correct entry.

I did get a DC on SP yesterday for William Henderson McCracken who died Dec 16. 1957 at Glenafton Hospital, his death was due to Malignant Hypertension and Pulmonary TB, nothing to do with a mining accident, this certificate was registered Dec 17, 1957, his usual residence being 32 Lime Rd, New Cumnock ...

So I am totally confused .... Gro said he died in 1956 but wasn't registered till 1957, that is not what the DC says ?? Also what about NAS record stating death Sept 27, 1956 ????

My head is swirling .... hoping someone can solve this mystery for me !!

Also SP is stating Death Records to 1958, I thought it was 1957 ??? .... and No, I do not have a hangover

Post by **Ina** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:51 pm

Hi Linda,

Did NAS list his age at death? What was the age of William on the death certificate you found on SP?

They also lived at different address's. Is it possible that it is actually two different people, since the deaths are three months apart? They could be relatives. I know that my Moran family all lived on the same street and they used the naming pattern, so they all had the same names including middle names.........sure makes things confusing.

Perhaps someone else will come up with a better solution.

Ina

Linda Malpass · Post by **Linda Malpass** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:07 pm

Ina wrote:Hi Linda,

Did NAS list his age at death? What was the age of William on the death certificate you found on SP?

They also lived at different address's. Is it possible that it is actually two different people, since the deaths are three months apart? They could be relatives. I know that my Moran family all lived on the same street and they used the naming pattern, so they all had the same names including middle names.........sure makes things confusing.

Perhaps someone else will come up with a better solution.

Ina

Hi Ina

The age on the DC for Dec 16, 1957 is 59yrs, he was born 1898 New Cumnock, so that adds up ... this certificate was registered Dec 17, 1957, but Gros tells me something different, that he died 1956 and didn't get registered till 1957 ....

Do you know if I can get the records from NAS via an email request and if so do you know what they charge ???

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:15 pm

hi Linda

Do you know if I can get the records from NAS via an email request and if so do you know what they charge ???

Yes, you can ask for photocopies of items. They charge in groups of 5 pages, £2.50 for 5 pages from the same document. So, if the document was between 1-5 pages long it would cost £2.50, but if it was 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 pages, it would cost £5.

Notes of evidence, petition and warrant, minutes and verdict, loose paper

Difficult to tell, but it looks like it might run to a good few pages from what you've noted above. Perhaps best to ask for an estimate first.

Best wishes
Lesley

Linda Malpass · Post by **Linda Malpass** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:23 pm

Thanks Lesley

That is good information to know ... I will sent NAS an email and estimate of cost ...

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:42 pm

Living overseas, I have ordered documents online form the NAS before. I emailed them with the details of the record I was interested in and they got back to me with a quote, which I could agree to or not. It was not a fast process, but not super slow either. I think in each case I had to wait for a quote to be done (I think the maximum they say is 40 days?) and then of course receive the quote, give them the okay, and then wait another amount of time ot get the documents. BUT....it was WORTH IT!

Linda Malpass · Post by **Linda Malpass** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:20 pm

Hi Everyone,

Just wanted everyone to know that I sent NAS an email on Jan 6th outlining my difficulty in finding this death, got a reply today from them to state they made an error with the name, it is William Henderson McCracken Park (they forgot the Park) ... also gave me his mothers and fathers name and the age of William when he died, with that info I was able to get the Death and RCE info from SP this morning ...

NAS quoted 20 pounds for 30 pages of this enquiry ... just thought it was good info to share with everyone ......

I was more than pleased with NAS response and so quickly