Thank you TS for Wildcards!

Moray_Lass · Post by **Moray_Lass** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:37 pm

I apologise if this is the wrong place to post this.

After 18 months of frustrated searching Scotlands People *and* the Local Registrars office I finally found my Grandfather's birth records. I was browsing over TS thinking I didn't need to join another genealogy site when I came across a post about putting wildcards at the start on Scotlands People ... and there he was - James Geddes Symon indexed under Tymon! His mother's handwriting was clearer than the Registars. So thank you TS!

But can you suggest what I can try with my other brick wall?

Mary Lobban
b c1800 Burghnamary, Borharm, Banff
m George Thomson 20 Jan 1821, in Bellie, Moray
d 2 October 1877 at 6:45 pm in Bellie, Moray

The death date/time and birthplace are from the Bellie Parish Poor Relief Records where both Thomson and Lobban were recorded (Moray LibIndx, NM218879) so she was known by both when she registered in 1866.

I'd really appreciate some suggestions as I need her death records to find her parents, my Grandfather was more of a pride thing but this is a genuine brick wall.

Many Thanks

Post by **AndrewP** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:17 pm

Hi Maggie,

Welcome to TalkingScot.

I have had a look on ScotlandsPeople at death certificates for Bellie for the last few months of 1877, and Mary Lobban or Thomson is not there, not even hiding under any mis-spelling. A look at the index page following the last page for that year, shows no Mary of any surname was registered in the death register for Bellie in 1877.

Searching beyond Bellie, there is no obvious sign of her, using assorted wildcard combinations. The search goes on.

All the best,

AndrewP

Moray_Lass · Post by **Moray_Lass** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:41 pm

Thanks you Andrew for your quick reply!

I am glad it is not me that can't find her death. If it is any help - the Poor Relief record gives date and *time* of death, so I assume that the people running the Relief wanted to stop paying. Nothing on the document says she was living anywhere else and still getting paid by them. In one of my more desperate moments I looked for her in Glasgow because one of her sons moved there c1860. But I am fairly sure she was living with my gg Grandmother here.

It is a frustrating one, but thanks for your help.

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:58 am

Hello Maggie,

Chances are you already know that there’s someone with similar interests here

http://www.burness.ca/ancestors/p2364.htm#i23633

The Moray Burial Ground Research Group has published an M.I. book for Bellie.

http://www.mbgrg.org/publications.shtml

Alan

Moray_Lass · Post by **Moray_Lass** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:01 pm

Hi Alan

Thanks for posting

I have already been in contact with John Burgess and I supplied him with some details of my line - it is a co-lateral one to his. And unfortunately my folk have never had enough money to have gravestones.

But thanks for the suggestions

Maggie

Post by **joette** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:07 pm

Maggie will PM you I think we may be related.
Lobban & Thomson & Borham are certainly in my lineage will have a wee look & get back to you.

Moray_Lass · Post by **Moray_Lass** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:35 pm

Hi Joette

It would be great if we are related, so far I haven't tracked down anyone researching this. Thomson/Lobban had ten children, all but one, I think, made it to adulthood.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Moray_Lass · Post by **Moray_Lass** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:50 am

I think I have found my Mary Lobban, but I would like more experienced eyes than mine to check what I think. I have uploaded the cert to the gallery (Isabella Lobban (ne Laing)), but my main interest is the list of children. Numbers 1-3 don't show up on OPR so I guess they were either never baptised or it was in another kirk that Established. No. 3, after three days of staring, I now think is Robert.

Three of Mary's children had godmothers named Betty, Grace and Jane Lobban from Fochabers, so I know there is a link to this family somehow.

I think it is:

1 Ellen? dec. age 45 in 1841
2 Mary? & Isabella Twins 52
3 I##boil??? Robert?? supposed dead
4 Elizabeth dec. age 30 in 1835
5 Thomas dec. when 6 months
6 Margaret dec. age 33 in 1844
7 Grace dec. age 30 in 1841
8 Jane 35

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1530

If this is her it breaks an 18month brick wall for me

Post by **AndrewP** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:05 am

Hi Maggie,

I make out the details of the certificate as follows:

Laing, Isabella; Female; 82 years
Born: Parish of Boharm, 26 years in Fochabers
Father: James Laing, Farmer (Deceased)
Mother: Isabella Laing, Maiden Name Dick (Deceased)
Spouse: Robert Loban (Deceased)
Issue:
(1) Ellen dec. age 45 in 1841
(2) Mary & Isabella, twins, 52
(3) Robert, supposed dead
(4) Elizabeth dec. age 30 in 18__ (183_ ?)
(5) Thomas dec. when 6 months
(6) Margaret dec. age 33 in 18__
(7) Grace dec. age 30 in 184_
(8) Jane 35
Died: 1855 February eighteenth 9h 30m P.M.
Died where: in Fochabers
Cause of Death: Old Age, no medical attendant
Buried: Churchyard of Bellie, as certified by John Gray, undertaker
Informant: Hartly Laudon (?), son-in-law
Registered: 1855 February 23<sup>d</sup> at Fochabers, James Milne, Registrar

I recommend you fill out a contact form on ScotlandsPeople and ask them for a fresh copy of this certificate by e-mail, asking specifically that it shows the childrens' death years which are lost in the fold in the centre of the double page on the image you have downloaded.

Like you, I see only entries on the IGI for the youngest 5 of the list above.

ELIZABETH LOBBAN - Christening: 25 MAR 1804 Boharm, Moray, Scotland
THOMAS LOBBAN - Christening: 24 FEB 1807 Bellie, Moray, Scotland
MARGARET LOBBAN - Born: 10 Jul 1808, Christening: 11 JUL 1808 Bellie, Moray, Scotland
GRACE LOBBAN - Christening: 14 JUL 1810 Bellie, Moray, Scotland
JANE LOBAN - Born: 04 JAN 1813, Christening: 1813 Speymouth, Moray, Scotland

All the best,

AndrewP

Moray_Lass · Post by **Moray_Lass** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 2:46 pm

Thanks for that AndrewP, I am glad my ideas weren't just wishful thinking.

As to the death dates - yes they are unreadable on the certificate, but I got them by cross checking with Moray LibIndx. I'll contact SP though.

The Informant is Huntly Lawton (also seen as Lauton and Lewton on census), widower of Grace Lobban - who died in an asylum in Edinburgh after the 1841 census

Surprised me as he was in Fraserburgh in 1851 census, and their two children were with his sister in Edinburgh then.

My next step is to make the connection between Isabella Laing and an Elizabeth Laing being sisters, which would agree with Mary's daughter marrying her second cousin (on her marriage certificate)

k

Thanks again for your help.