John Jeffrey, married or not?

ladybird · Post by **ladybird** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:19 am

Great "Uncle Johnnie" Jeffrey has been giving me a few problems

I have his birth cert (6th Aug 1885 - Polmont), his death cert (9th September 1958- Glasgow), but where is his marriage cert??

His wife was Helen Addison according to the death cert and I have found the births and deaths of several (7) of their children in Glasgow.
Another anomalie there too.....
Alexander Jeffrey born 1909, the next child I can find is daughter Helen born 1916...a 17 year gap!

I wonder if John was married previously and never got round to marrying Helen Addison?

Can anyone help please???
Sylvia

Post by **Tracey** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:43 am

Hello Syliva

What marriage date and place does it give on the childrens birth certificates ? just as a possible rough guide for anyone looking.

Tracey

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:12 am

Tracey wrote:Hello Syliva

What marriage date and place does it give on the childrens birth certificates ? just as a possible rough guide for anyone looking.

Tracey

Hi Tracey,

I thought of that too then realised that unless Sylvia has the extract she won't know because it was after 1907 and can't be viewed at SP.

Regards,
Annette

Post by **AndrewP** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:32 am

Hi Sylvia,

Are the 1907 and 1916 dates correct. If so, we are looking at a seven year gap. On saying that, a seven year gap is unusual, particularly at the beginning of a family. I had a look on SP for the marriage, using various wilcard combinations and found no suitable candidates in the 1900 to 1932 range.

To me that leaves three questions.

(1) Were they ever married?

(2) Could it have been an irregular marriage that was never registered?

(3) Did they marry outside Scotland?

Another thought. Did any of the children die young (more than 50 years ago)? If so, what parent information is shown on the death certificate?

All the best,

AndrewP

Post by **Tracey** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:50 am

Annette as soon as i posted i went off to SP to check

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:00 pm

Math is not my favorite exercise but relying on my trusty desktop Canon solar I get a different possible birth year for Alex......matter of fact I get 1918. That of course is not verified from actual documents....only subtracting an indexed age at death from the year of death. From my figuring (of the 7 found via their DC's) Helen would be the eldest deceased child b abt 1916. Did I miss something really important? Oh and I don't see a MC indexed for them either...but there surely is a likely looking DC on SP for Helen JEFFREY other surname ADDISON.

Best wishes
Jean

ladybird · Post by **ladybird** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:29 pm

Sorry folks, just had to go to bed...hard day in the garden!

And yes there was a typo on the age gap Andrew, it should have read 7 years.

The DC entries I have on the children all have them living to a ripe old age dying between 1975-1998. And Jean you're right 1918 looks more in line with Alexander's age at death.

Oh dear back to the drawing (SP) for another look
Sylvia

ladybird · Post by **ladybird** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:00 pm

....and thanks for the heads up on Helen's death, Jean.
Why does it say MMN not permissable/ Is that because of the time frame?

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:36 pm

Hi Sylvia

Yes MMN is not permissable in this case if you don't already know it due to the closure rules....but in your case you do know it and so use it! I searched for the deaths using only MMN and surname and leaving the years wide open..... you'll get just the 7 results. Note it's not possible to search using wildcards in the MMN either....you either know it exact or not at all.

Best wishes
Jean