CARBERRY GUNN

jeanbarrynella · Post by **jeanbarrynella** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 9:13 am

hI TO EVERYONE I HOPE YOU ALL HAD A GOOD CHRISTMAS
AND ALL BEST FOR THE NEW YEAR . Sorry to ask at this time of year as i know everyone is busy its only when some can get time
I am trying to Locate information on a Edward Carberry and Betsy Gunn
i know there son James married a Mary Vance How ever i am not sure where they married .but they did die in Scotland James died 1880 he was 68 Years old and Mary (Vance ) 1891 she was 79 her parents were John Vance and Sarah McCormick they lived in Fermagh Ireland .
Kindest regards jean

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 11:38 am

Hi Jean
When you say you are trying to locate information, what kind of info are you hoping for?
Do you have the death entries already for James and Mary? If not, that might be a good place to start. Have you found them in a census in Scotland? Where do you think Edward & Betsy were living - Scotland? Do you think Mary Vance might have been from Fermamagh too? I ask because ther is a MAry Vance in the 1881 census living in Glasgow , a widow aged 69, whose place of birth is stated as "Commonlay Formanach" as are all the children staying with her. I reckon that "Formanach" sounds very like Fermanagh.

Can you tell us where you found the info you already have, please?

Best wishes
Lesley

jeanbarrynella · Post by **jeanbarrynella** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 11:53 am

Hi Lesly
Yes i do have Have James and mary death Certificates
he died 1880 and she died 1891 i dont know anything about Edward
When James died he was 68 and mary was 79
i think this is her in 1881 Govan they have Helen born abt 1846 in Ireland
Mary abt 1856 Ireland and maryann Abt 1864 i think is age is wrong looking at the dates of his children i am just not sure
James father Was Edward his mother surname looks like Gunn could be
Gwinn. I dont know if they went to Scotland with james and mary.
Many thanks regards jean

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:00 pm

Hi Jean
What you mention agrees with the likley looking family I found in the LDS 1881 transcription:

Dwelling: 53 Commercial Road
Census Place: Govan, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203670 GRO Ref Volume 644-11 EnumDist 32 Page 13
Mary CARBERRY W 69 F Commonlay Formanach
Rel: Head
Helen CARBERRY U 35 F Commonlay
Rel: Daur
Occ: Cotton Weaver
Mary CARBERRY U 25 F Commonlay Formanch
Rel: Daur
Occ: Cotton Weaver
Mary Ann CARBERRY U 17 F Commonlay Formanach
Rel: Daur
Occ: Cotton Weaver

So, in that case, fiding out anything about the births of the children is not quite as straight forward as a search on Scotlands People! As all the children we are seeing here were born in "Formanach", it seems pretty likely the marriage also took place there, and by the ages of the children we see there, the marriage was prior to 1856, so before Statutory Registration in Ireland (1864) - if the record exists, it will be in Parish records, for which you woudl need to know the area of Fermanangh they were from. I suspect "Commonlay" is a townland, so a bit of research needed there to find out what the real spelling might be. IT woudl also help to have an idea if the family were Protestant or RC.
Have you tried a search in the 1871 to see if they are in Scotland then?

Best wishes
Lesley

jeanbarrynella · Post by **jeanbarrynella** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:07 pm

Hi lesley
I could not locate them but i would at guess say they were to tell the truth i get quite lost in there .
Regards jean

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:13 pm

Looking at Townlands of Fermanagh here:
http://www.ancestryireland.com/database ... _fermanagh
Camplany looks like a likely contender for "Commonlay" but there may be other possibles - the list of those starting with letter "C" is long!

Best wishes
Lesley

jeanbarrynella · Post by **jeanbarrynella** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:23 pm

Hi Lesly
I looked through them and you are right thats about the only one that does look similar .
Regards jean

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:28 pm

Hi Jean

Using the search on SP for the 1871 census, I'm not seeing a James Carberry on the same page as a Mary and there is no James Carberry or Mary Carberry of any age in Lanarkshire in 1871

Hmm. I wonder if they were not in Scotland at that time? What does it state James did for a living on his death entry?

Best wishes
Lesley

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:35 pm

Hi Jean
Camplany townland is on the eastern shore of Lower Lough Erne.
Go to Google Maps and enter Camplany, Fermanagh and you will be able to see where it is. That area of Fermanagh, round Lower Lough Erne, is lovely.

HOWEVER in the Griffiths Valuaiton (Fermanagh in about 1862)
http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4 ... h_form.php
there is a CARBERRY JAMES townland CORNAVRAY FERMANAGH Parish GALLOON . I reckon Cornavray, south of Enniskillen, might also be heard as "Commonlay". If you do a search for surname Carberry in Fermanagh, you can see there are only eight mentioned.

Best wishes
Lesley

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:01 pm

Jean wrote in a separate post, copied here to save confusion:

Hi Lesly
i cant thank you enough for this there is every chance that this is My James as there is McCormicks on there as well and James mother inlaw
was Sarah McCormick I am not sure how to search there do i have to know where people lived to to use this .
Kind regards jean

Jean - I've deleted the post that was all on it's own to keep all your info together on the one thread. That is good that there appears to be some evidence to suggest that it may be the right James.

To search the Griffiths Valuaiton you really just need to know a surname and county. However, unless you know a little about the people already, it does not give you much info back - in this case a search for the name brought up a likely looking townland name, and your knowledge of the mother-in-law is also helpful. You can look on the maps and see where the numbered property was. See here
http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4 ... h_form.php
and click Search Help for more info as to how to use the site, and more info about the Griffiths generally here:
http://www.from-ireland.net/gene/griffithsval.htm and
http://www.movinghere.org.uk/galleries/ ... uation.htm

Best wishes
Lesley