Proclaimation of Marriage for 1835, Paisley High Church Pais

[Karenn]

Hello,
This is my first post so hopefully I've got it in the right section. I have a marriage of a couple recorded on the page for marriages taking place in 1835. However is says that the marriage took place on 11 Jun 1852 and was performed by Dr Baird, retired of Paisley. They have 3 children born prior to 1852. Why would a date or entry by added later? And does this mean that their children were all born prior to the marriage or is it that the marriage wasn't recognised until 1852.

Thanks
Karenn from down under

[AndrewP]

Hi Karen,

Welcome to TalkingScot.

I'll answer a question with a question. What was the wording on the birth/baptism records? In the Old Parochial Registers (OPRs) children born before marriage are often recorded as natural son (or daughter) of..., whereas chidren born after marriage are often referred to as lawful son (or daughter) of.... Some were more condemning with their words and you will see some recorded as begotten in fornication or the like.

All the best,

AndrewP

[Karenn]

Hi Andrew,

The birth recorded in 1846 just has a quiggle under the Female column but what's interesting is, it has her birth date recorded and where they lived but where is gives the date of baptism, there is no date? I only bought 1 certificate from Scots so I don't know what the earlier one might have said.

Karenn

[AndrewP]

Hi Karen,

It sounds like the OPR page that you have is more like the Kirk Session's accounts. Is there a price in a column to the right of the page for each baptism, more prices in another column for proclamations (of banns), and possibly another column for hire of a mortcloth, and possibly another for donations for the poor? If so, that type of OPR gives the absolute minimum of information.

Could you upload that page to the TalkingScot gallery and we can see if there are any ideas for the meaning of the squiggle. See viewtopic.php?t=6496 for directions on uploading to the Gallery.

Also, on the marriage OPR, are there any other years in the other entries apart from the 1835 and 1852 that you have already mentioned.

All the best,

AndrewP

[Karenn]

Hi Andrew,

Well that took a while to download. Firstly, there doesn't seem to be any mention of money on the birth certificate. Secondly, the marriage is the only one on the page that is registered in 1852, all the rest are in 1835. And lastly I think I sent the wrong certificate the first time and now I can't download the right one because I've exceeded my limit! How do I get rid of it? Help!

Karenn

[LesleyB]

Hi Karenn
There is a OPR record for a John Walker and a Margaret Lee in the gallery - but it only shows the SP serch result, not the actual document, so we cannot see the wording there. You've named it "Marriage of Charles Hill and Rosanna Borland in 1852 amongst marriages of 1835", so I'll delete that one, so you can upload the correct one.

The other one, "Elizabeth Hill's birth" in the OPR - what is uploaded is a screen picture, not the original image, so it cannot be viewed large enough to read the writing - can you upload the original image that you downloaded from Scotland People, please, then we'll be able to see what is going on, I hope! (I've deleted the file called "Elizabeth Hill's birth 1846 small")

You should have enough space to have another go at uploading now.

Best wishes
Lesley

[AndrewP]

... and now I can't download the right one because I've exceeded my limit! How do I get rid of it? Help!

Hi Karen,

As well as Lesley having removed your previous uploads, I have increased the upload space in the Gallery as some of the JPG files of the OPRs are quite a bit larger than the TIF files of the birth, marriage and death certificates, and the census pages. So all going well, your next upload to the Gallery will be successful.

All the best,

AndrewP

[Karenn]

Hi Lesley and Andrew,

Can you please tell me how many images appear? There should be 2, but I only got 1 confirmation.

Thanks

Karenn

[LesleyB]

Hi Karenn
I've had a look, and I can't see any new uploads in the gallery.
We'll get there eventually ....any chance you could have another shot at it?

Best wishes
Lesley

[Karenn]

Hi Lesley,

Thank you for your patience. You've probably gone to bed now but hopefully the images will be there in the morning.

Best wishes
Karenn