Gwen in canada
Stumped Completely
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gwennypenny
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Stumped Completely
I am green as green can be.I have a membership credits and have spent many on scottish people as well as atrial on ancestry. I may be sent on a goosechase by info someone gave me so I cannot find certain people on a cencus.acorrding to a family member my grandmother Flora Scott gilmour (then KNOX) died in 195.I am trying to figur eout her parents names.I was told they are Alexander Scott and Annie Lambie Young.I did find alex and annies marriage certi which gave me THEIR pareents names and what not.however ther is no mention of them that i can find on the cencus.they were married in 1915.Basically I am beginning to doubt that they are MY grandmothers parents, not sure why I doubt it but I do. Flora was born in 1924 and died young. Anyway...if i found annie and alex on a cencus would it show me if THEY had siblings?
Gwen in canada
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ninatoo
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Re: Stumped Completely
Hi gwennypenny,
According to Scotlandspeople search of the index for Gilm* Flora, other surname Knox born 1924 + or - 5 years, a Flora Young Gilmour (other surnames Knox and Scott) died in 1975 at Kilmarnock East Ayrshire. That * is what you can use for a 'wildcard' search when the spelling might vary from what you think it should be. In some cases, the spelling was only ever as good as the registrar who filled in the form!
If you wanted to see this certificate you would have to order it to be sent to you, as death registrations are only available on line if they were before 1959-60 (? I forget where we're up to with that, but definitely around that date. Or if you werenear the registry house you could go in and have a look. However people here at this site have done that for me in the past, so maybe someone will have a look for you if you don't want to spend seven pounds.
Also, just be a little bit careful what people in the family tell you, because (speaking from LOTS of experience here) they might get things wrong...!!!
Don't fell bad because you are cufuddled - we have ALL been there, each of us had to start somewhere! I look back on some of my old posts from time to time and realise I have learned quite a lot, and you will too, because I think the genealogy bug has well and truly bitten you!
Nina
PS I would hold off on the censuses if I were you until you know for sure who her parents are, or you could be wasting lots of money for nothing...
According to Scotlandspeople search of the index for Gilm* Flora, other surname Knox born 1924 + or - 5 years, a Flora Young Gilmour (other surnames Knox and Scott) died in 1975 at Kilmarnock East Ayrshire. That * is what you can use for a 'wildcard' search when the spelling might vary from what you think it should be. In some cases, the spelling was only ever as good as the registrar who filled in the form!
If you wanted to see this certificate you would have to order it to be sent to you, as death registrations are only available on line if they were before 1959-60 (? I forget where we're up to with that, but definitely around that date. Or if you werenear the registry house you could go in and have a look. However people here at this site have done that for me in the past, so maybe someone will have a look for you if you don't want to spend seven pounds.
Also, just be a little bit careful what people in the family tell you, because (speaking from LOTS of experience here) they might get things wrong...!!!
Don't fell bad because you are cufuddled - we have ALL been there, each of us had to start somewhere! I look back on some of my old posts from time to time and realise I have learned quite a lot, and you will too, because I think the genealogy bug has well and truly bitten you!
Nina
PS I would hold off on the censuses if I were you until you know for sure who her parents are, or you could be wasting lots of money for nothing...
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SarahND
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Re: Stumped Completely
Hello Gwen,
Are Alexander Scott and Annie Lambie Young the parent names given on Flora's death certificate and marriage certificates? I'm not sure which certificates you ordered and if you have received them yet. The more proof like this (the best would be her birth certificate of course!) that you have of their names, the more confident you can be that you have found the right people.
If you are having trouble finding Alex and Annie in the censuses, post the information from their marriage certificate (their ages and occupations, parents' names and occupations and place of the marriage) and I'm sure someone on this forum will have a look and help you with your search.
All the best,
Sarah
Are Alexander Scott and Annie Lambie Young the parent names given on Flora's death certificate and marriage certificates? I'm not sure which certificates you ordered and if you have received them yet. The more proof like this (the best would be her birth certificate of course!) that you have of their names, the more confident you can be that you have found the right people.
If you are having trouble finding Alex and Annie in the censuses, post the information from their marriage certificate (their ages and occupations, parents' names and occupations and place of the marriage) and I'm sure someone on this forum will have a look and help you with your search.
All the best,
Sarah
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nelmit
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Re: Stumped Completely
SP index shows there was an Annie Lambie Young born at Sorn in Ayrshire in 1881 and this birth year agrees with a death in 1966 of an Annie Lambie Young/Scott.
So if her parents were William and Jane then this looks like her in 1891 at Sorn -
William Young 42 bleacher, born Sorn
Jane Young 41born Sorn
John Young 12
Annie Young 10 born Sorn.
David Young 6
This family are at Catrine, Ayrshire (where Alexander and Annie married) in 1901.
There is also a very tempting Alexander Scott, on census records, about the same age as Annie who was also born at Sorn with parents James and Helen.
Sorry if I have it all wrong as I don't want to confuse you any further.
Regards,
Annette
So if her parents were William and Jane then this looks like her in 1891 at Sorn -
William Young 42 bleacher, born Sorn
Jane Young 41born Sorn
John Young 12
Annie Young 10 born Sorn.
David Young 6
This family are at Catrine, Ayrshire (where Alexander and Annie married) in 1901.
There is also a very tempting Alexander Scott, on census records, about the same age as Annie who was also born at Sorn with parents James and Helen.
Sorry if I have it all wrong as I don't want to confuse you any further.
Regards,
Annette
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gwennypenny
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Re: Stumped Completely
Tis all appears correct! But I don't know for sure IF Annie is floras mum. I will have to order a certificate never done that before . Do I just click on order do they mail them? And yes I was told flora died in 1975 young
Thank ou all very very much . I will look at getting floras birth certi =D> =D>
Thank ou all very very much . I will look at getting floras birth certi =D> =D>
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StewL
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Re: Stumped Completely
Hi Gwen
Yes you click on the order button that appears when you have looked at the entry, they will send it to the address you have on SP system.
You just have to have the required number of credits available, which equates to the pounds cost of said certificate.
I remember once feeling like a right numpty when I got the cost confused with the credits
But sorted it out when I bought more credits.
Yes you click on the order button that appears when you have looked at the entry, they will send it to the address you have on SP system.
You just have to have the required number of credits available, which equates to the pounds cost of said certificate.
I remember once feeling like a right numpty when I got the cost confused with the credits
But sorted it out when I bought more credits.Stewie
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gwennypenny
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Re: Stumped Completely
Does a debater certificate name the parents? Or would birth certificate be better?
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SarahND
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Re: Stumped Completely
Hello Gwen,
In Scotland (hooray!) both parents names are on birth, marriage and death certificates. However, you have to consider who is giving the information. Presumably whoever reported the birth was directly connected to the family if not one of the parents, so they would know the names (doesn't mean they always told the truth, particularly if it was an illegitimate birth!). Likewise, on a marriage certificate it would be the couple themselves giving the names of their parents (in my experience there is slightly more likelihood of false information given, particularly for the occupation of the father). For the death certificate, however, the person is dead and can't tell anyone who their parents were, so the accuracy of the information varies quite a bit.
That said, we often have to work backwards in genealogy to be sure we have the right people. We tend to know the children and spouse of a person before we find out who their parents were. If you go straight to the birth certificate, will you be sure you have the right person? Unless you have the exact birth date and place, or the person has a very unusual name, it is hard to be certain. So we usually end up getting all of the certificates just to compare the information given (and hope it doesn't vary too much!)
All the best,
Sarah
In Scotland (hooray!) both parents names are on birth, marriage and death certificates. However, you have to consider who is giving the information. Presumably whoever reported the birth was directly connected to the family if not one of the parents, so they would know the names (doesn't mean they always told the truth, particularly if it was an illegitimate birth!). Likewise, on a marriage certificate it would be the couple themselves giving the names of their parents (in my experience there is slightly more likelihood of false information given, particularly for the occupation of the father). For the death certificate, however, the person is dead and can't tell anyone who their parents were, so the accuracy of the information varies quite a bit.
That said, we often have to work backwards in genealogy to be sure we have the right people. We tend to know the children and spouse of a person before we find out who their parents were. If you go straight to the birth certificate, will you be sure you have the right person? Unless you have the exact birth date and place, or the person has a very unusual name, it is hard to be certain. So we usually end up getting all of the certificates just to compare the information given (and hope it doesn't vary too much!)
All the best,
Sarah
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gwennypenny
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Re: Stumped Completely
I have ordered it just now. 12 brittish opounds and 15 days in the mail I belive. If I have the correct mum and dad for FLORA then I am in business.This will show me. As for THOMAS I have no idea who his mum and dad were as family was TABOO in our home, so this tooo will give me HIS mum and dads info and I can work that way.
I will check in again when I receive it.
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I will check in again when I receive it.
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Ina
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Re: Stumped Completely
Hi,
The parents names on a birth certificate can also be wrong. Will depend on how well the person who registered the birth knew the mother. My great grandmother's birth certificate listed her mother as Flora McDonald. Her mother's name was actually Flora McDougall. The father was a seaman and was away at sea when the birth occurred, so a neighbour registered the birth.......guess she thought McDonald......McDougall????
Everything has to be checked.
Ina
The parents names on a birth certificate can also be wrong. Will depend on how well the person who registered the birth knew the mother. My great grandmother's birth certificate listed her mother as Flora McDonald. Her mother's name was actually Flora McDougall. The father was a seaman and was away at sea when the birth occurred, so a neighbour registered the birth.......guess she thought McDonald......McDougall????
Everything has to be checked.
Ina