my ggg grandfather. George Groat.

[janet2]

I have been searchu=ing for a long time for the death of my 3xg grandfather George Groat born 1793 canisbay. he was a ship's master and lived in pulteny town. he was at my gg grans marriage in 1855 wick . her sister married 1857 he was deceased then. i have been searching scotlands people and cannot find a death for him on there. can anyone put me in the right direction where to look.
i live in yorkshire but last year went to wick but again they had no info at the register office.
i am also looking for Janet Hunter Groat born 1854 Glasgow. she was brought up in wick by her father's sister Ann Anderson.
Her father was ewings groat mother Catherine Mckeller. i found her two sister's but with janet i have hit a brick wall.
any help on these i would realy appreciate thanmk you.
janet2.

[Currie]

Hello Janet,

Caledonian Mercury (Edinburgh), Tuesday, February 12, 1856
THE MISSING VESSELS.—We deeply regret to state that no intelligence whatever has been received of three vessels connected with the north, which have now been amissing for some time. The first is a schooner, the Albion, of Craill, Captain Taylor, which left the Fife coast, for Orkney, more than six weeks ago, for the purpose of loading a cargo of potatoes there. No accounts have since been obtained regarding her. There were five men on board. The second is the Lady Camilla, of Thurso, Captain Crear, whose boat was driven ashore in Orkney some weeks ago, and whose dog has, it is supposed, been also washed ashore. She left London for Newburgh, with a cargo of guano, previous to the easterly storms which occurred early last month, and no farther trace of her has since been obtained. It may be remarked that on the morning of the Friday previous to the boat being cast ashore, and about eight days after the vessel left London, a schooner of about the size of the Lady Camilla passed this bay. She was deeply laden, and it was rumoured in town that forenoon, but not generally credited, that the schooner was seen to go down between Noss Head and Keiss. There was a terrific gale and a heavy sea at the time. Among the crew was a young man named Campbell, son of a widow Campbell, residing in Pulteneytown. The third is the sloop Breeze of Dundee, which left Pulteneytown Harbour, early in October, with a cargo of herrings, for the Rhine. Her crew consisted of George Groat, master, belonging to Pulteneytown, James Davidson, seaman, also belonging there, and James Houston, son of Mr Wm. Houston, mealdealer, Pulteneytown. Of coarse, it is even yet quite possible that accounts of the safety of the Breeze may be received, though there is reason to fear the worst, now that more than three months have elapsed. These sad occurrences have awakened a feeling of deep gloom and regret at Wick and Thurso. The Lady Camilla was quite a new vessel.—Northern Ensign.

All the best,
Alan

[paddyscar]

I see trusty Alan has supplied valid information.

There are a great many records for John Groat and others of related family in Caithness and in Westray on http://www.familysearch.org You may find some connections there that may be of interest, with one George Groat being born in 1660.

Many of those records are not transcripted from the original records, but are submitted by members of the LDS Church which may or may not be totally accurate, but may serve to point you in the right direction. Once found there at no cost, you may have a better chance at finding/verifying records on ScotlandsPeople.

Frances



Frances

[WilmaM]

Looking for Janet Hunter Groat:

On FreeCen there are 2 Janet Groats in 1861:
1 aged 4 Living with her parents Alexander & Helen Groat

1 aged 6 living with her Aunt & Uncle Rbt & Ann Anderson

Piece: SCT1861/43 Place: Wick -Caithness Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Wick Burgh Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Wick Burgh
Folio: 0 Page: 4 Schedule: 17
Address: -
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ANDERSON Robert Head M M 27 Fisherman Caithness - Wick
ANDERSON Ann Wife M F 27 Fisherman's Wife Caithness - Wick
ANDERSON John Son - M 5m Fisherman's Son Caithness - Wick
GROAT Mary Niece U F 8 Scholar Lanarkshire - Glasgow
GROAT Janet Niece - F 6 Scholar Lanarkshire - Glasgow
TERRY Janet Lodger W F 64 Assist Caithness - Thurso

By 1871 though there is only 1 the 14 year old living with her father and ?2nd wife:

Address: Bank Street
GROAT Alexander Head M M 51 Shoemaker Caithness - Thurso
SWANSON Helen Wife M F 39 - Caithness - Thurso
GROAT Janet Dau - F 14 Scholar Caithness - Dunnet
GROAT James Son - M 12 Scholar Caithness - Thurso
GROAT John Son - M 11 Scholar Caithness - Thurso
GROAT Barbara Dau - F 9 Scholar Caithness - Thurso
GROAT Isabella Dau - F 6 Scholar Caithness - Thurso

Leading us to believe that 'your' Janet either married or died in the intervening decade.
Scotlands People doesn't have any relevant death showing so she's likely one of the 2 marriages in Caithness 1861-1871.
There is a death in the 1940's of a Janet Groat born 1854 +/- 5 that could be worth a look to see if it's her and who she married [Scottish Records are under maiden and married surnames]

I can only see 2 Groat girls in 1861 you mentioned finding Janet's 2 sisters what were their names and ages?

[janet2]

Hi wonka2
janet Hunter Groat B glasgow her two sister's Mary b 1853 Glasgow i found her death on scotland's people she died april 25 Dennistoun spinster age 68.
Catherine groat born 1856 glasgow her mother Catherine mckeller died a couple of weeks after she was born. her mother's parent's brought her up she used thier
surname Mckeller not groat.
i have mary on 1871 census she's a servant in caithness. just cannot find her sister Janet.
regard's
janet2.

[janet2]

Hi Alan
thank you so much for this info on george. no wonder i could never find him.
When i went to pultenytown i went to the old graveyard there is a flat stone there with his name on it his wife janet hunter is next to it she passed in 1848.
I never did find the stone it's the info they gave me at the register office. if he drowned would the family have put the stone there in his memory.?
This info is realy interesting thank you i realy appreciate this.
regard's
janet2.

[janet2]

hi Frances
Yes Alan has been a big help i feel quite sad now knowing he drowned. do you think there would be a death cert for him.
thank you also for you'r help .

I have spent poun'd's in scotland's people looking for george. There are so many groat's in pultenytown i am slowly going through them.
Regard's
janet2.

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[Currie]

Hello Janet,

I would say there would be very many instances of family erecting tombstones, or adding the name to one, for someone lost at sea.

There is also a report in the Scotland column of the Glasgow Herald. http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=F1 ... %2C1531090

About half way through this copy of the 1854 BMD legislation you’ll see that Scottish deaths at sea were supposed to end up in the Marine Register at GROS. Obviously that would not always work well when all were lost, and especially when the regulations were relatively new and not common knowledge. There’s no sign of him there. http://www.histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/Vie ... s&mno=4048

All the best,
Alan

[WilmaM]

Found her in 1871
indexed as an ANDERSON

Piece: SCT1871/43 Place: Wick -Caithness Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Wick Burgh Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Wick Burgh
Folio: 0 Page: 5 Schedule: 17
Address: 14 Bexley Terrace
ANDERSON Robt Head M M 37 Fisherman Caithness - Wick
ANDERSON Ann Wife M F 37 - Caithness - Wick
ANDERSON John Son - M 10 - Caithness - Wick
ANDERSON Jessie Dau - F 8 - Caithness - Wick
ANDERSON Barbara Dau - F 6 - Caithness - Wick
- Mary Ann Dau - F 3 - Caithness - Wick
ANDERSON George Groat Son - M 11m - Caithness - Wick
ANDERSON Janet Groat Niece U F 15 - Lanarkshire - Glasgow

It may be worth finding the Anderson family in 1881 to see if she was still with them then under either surname.

By the way - what happened to her Father Ewings Groat? I noticed the mother's death but not the father's, in Scotland at any rate. a very unusual name.

[janet2]

Hi Wonka 2
1871 census with father alexander Groat this is not The janet Groat i am searching for.
Janet's father i found on 1861 census living in Portsea Island Hampshire with second wife Anne Scofield they had a son George James Groat born 1860 same place. Ewings groat her father drowned 11 january 1873 age 40 after leaving st katherines Dock's.
i have yet to find what happened to his wife and son. i can't find them on any other census by 1861.
i checked scotlands people for a death for janet not mine i'm afraid. need more credits now.
janet2