Lost Ancestors.....

[Heather Lyon]

Can anyone help me to find 2 ancestors William Lyon b 22 November 1832 Methlick, Aberdeen and George Lyon b 29 November 1849 Methlick Aberdeen. I can't find either of them on the 1881 or 1891 Census on scotlandspeople website. I have found their brother Alexander Lyon b 23 December 1836.

Heather

[Jack]

Hi Heather,

Do you have you occupations for William & George? Did they marry? Their wives' names? Any children?

Ta - Jack

[Heather Lyon]

Hi Jack

Thanks for your e-mail and sorry for the time it has taken for me to reply but I couldn't get into the website.

I don't have any other information on Willilam and George apart from their birth details. However I have some information on the burial for their brother Charles Lyon and their parents Barbara Beattie and James Lyon. I therefore don't think that they died when living with their parents. I wondered if they have emigrated.

Heather

[Alcluith]

You searched for: Scotland, British Isles
Father: James Lyon, Mother: Barbara Beattie

1. GEORGE LYON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 29 NOV 1849

2. GEORGE LYON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: DEC 1849 Methlick, Aberdeen, Scotland

3. JOHN LYON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 21 JUN 1829 Methlick, Aberdeen, Scotland

4. MARGARET LYON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 04 MAY 1838

5. MARGARET LYON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: JUN 1838 Methlick, Aberdeen, Scotland

6. WILLIAM LYON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 22 NOV 1832

7. WILLIAM LYON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: DEC 1832 Methlick, Aberdeen, Scotland

8. ALEXANDER LYON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 23 DEC 1836

9. ALEXANDER LYON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: JAN 1837 Methlick, Aberdeen, Scotland

[Jack]

Thanks Drew,

You beat me to it! I was wondering about those children.

Sylvia, do you know what happened to these other siblings? Is it certain that William & George lived to adulthood, or at least to 1855?

One way forward is to go back and find the family from the 1841 census onwards. The name indexes will probably be needed - but when SP put them all online is another thing....
The 1841 won't give too much info, but looking at the family in all 4 census up to 1871 will give occupations at least.

These censuses would also show when a child went missing from a census - hopefully because of marriage, and the census addresses may help narrow down the area to search.

You could also try to find their DCs in Scotland - but what if they occurred elsewhere? That's why i think a look at those censuses would give a better idea of what was happening to the family over the years.

Jack
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ps - the ANESFHS could be worth joining if you have a few ancestors in NE Scotland. http://www.anesfhs.org.uk/

[Alcluith]

Heather
This looks like your Lyon family in 1841

Piece: SCT1841/221 Place: Methlick-Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Methlick Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 6 Page: 3
Address: Meiklemethlic


Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
LYON James M 35 Ag Lab Aberdeenshire
LYON Barbara F 35 Aberdeenshire
LYON Alexander M 5 Aberdeenshire
LYON Margaret F 3 Aberdeenshire


This could be young John

Piece: SCT1841/221 Place: Methlick-Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Methlick Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 6 Page: 5
Address: Greenmyre

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
PIRIE James M 70 Farmer Aberdeenshire
PIRIE Ann F 75 Aberdeenshire
FINDLAY Christian F 20 Female Servant Aberdeenshire
IRONSIDE George M 25 Ag Lab Aberdeenshire
ADAMS John M 20 Ag Lab Aberdeenshire
TOSH John M 19 Ag Lab Aberdeenshire
LYON John M 10 Ag Lab Aberdeenshire
WALLACE George M 20 Ag Lab Aberdeenshire


George of course was not born at this census.

I could not find any sign of young William who may have died between his birth in 1832 and the 41 census.

[Heather Lyon]

Thanks Drew and Jack

I did have some of this information and I think perhaps William was living with a relative (perhaps Beattie) at the time of the 1841 Census. The information was in my last laptop which stopped working and I hadn't kept a note of it. I seem to remember that his surname may have been noted as Lyons but I am not sure. I have been trying to find it in the Freecen-rootsweb site but I don't seem to be able to access it.

There is another child, James Lyon b 1825 whose father is named as James Lyon but no mother's details. I am not sure if he belongs to my family or not. One of the witnesses on his birth data is the same witness on John Lyon b 1829 birth data - Adam Duncan of Sawchentree.

I found James and Barbara's son, Alexander Lyon b 1836 who married Ann Beange and their familly on the 1881 Census in Wick, Caithness.

John Lyon b 1829, my grt grt grandfather is on the 1851 Census in Inverkeithny, Banff.

James Lyon's father was named as Alexander Lyon on his death certificate but there was no name of his mother. I can't find any birth or marriage details for James Lyon. He was born around 1800 because he died in 1875 age 75. James was a tenant of a croft on the Haddo Estate known as Meikle Methlick from 1844 to 1883. His heirs continued to pay rent from his death until the end of the tenancy.

John Lyon my grt grt grandfather lived in Drumblade, Aberdeenshire. His son my grt grandfather William Lyon was born there in 1859 and married Helen Ross (previously Shepherd). The children were William Shephard stepson, John Lyon (my grandfather), Williamina Lyon, Jeannie Lyon and Charles Ross Lyon.

I can't find anyone who has any personal knowledge of my family and I would appreciate any help offered.

Thanks

Heather

[Jack]

Hi Heather,

The only James LYON (b 1825~) i can see is a tailor. Even if not him, it's quite a coincidence that you found a James who had the same man (Adam Duncan) as the witness to his birth as your GG-GF John had.
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Piece: SCT1841/221 Place: Methlic-Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 9
Civil Parish: Methlick Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 9 Page: 3
Address: Village Of Methlick
GRANT William M 30 Merchant Spirit Dealer Aberdeenshire
GRANT Mary F 35 Aberdeenshire
GRANT John M 5 Aberdeenshire
GRANT Rachel F 3 Aberdeenshire
GRANT William M 2 Aberdeenshire
GRANT James M 6m Aberdeenshire
CRANSTON Helenora F 20 Female Servant Outside Census County (1841)
ROSE Ann F 15 Female Servant Outside Census County (1841)
MCDONALD Robert M 30 Tailor Journeyman Outside Census County (1841)
LYON James M 20 Tailor Journeyman Aberdeenshire
SHERIFF Matthew M 30 Wright Journeyman Aberdeenshire
WYLLIE David M 20 Wright Journeyman Aberdeenshire
CAMPBELL Charles M 20 Painter Journeyman Aberdeenshire
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This looks like the William you had previous to your laptop problems (sorry to hear of it - suppose that's why i'm always being told to back up regularly!).

Piece: SCT1841/221 Place: Methlic-Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Methlick Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 6 Page: 9
Address: Sauchentree
BEATTIE Jean F 35 Crofter Aberdeenshire
LYONS William M 9 Ag Lab Aberdeenshire
MILNE Isobel F 60 Independent Aberdeenshire
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Have you checked the original entry for this OPR marriage? Possibly a transcription error? It is an outside chance though.
I know very little of the geography of Aberdeenshire, but looking at an atlas it's only about 12mls from New Pitsligo, and 18mls from Pitsligo Castle to Methlick, and whilst Barbara isn't uncommon, it's nothing compared to Jeanie or Maggie.
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JAMES LYON
BARBARA LEAG
Marriage: 09 DEC 1822 Pitsligo, Aberdeen, Scotland
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Jack

[Jack]

Hi Heather,

A couple i missed - they're nearer agewise. But James could be any one of the 3, or even none of them.
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Piece: SCT1841/247 Place: Turriff-Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Turriff Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 6 Page: 6
Address: Barnyards Hatton
PATERSON James M 39 Grieve Outside Census County (1841)
MILTON John M 27 Ag Labourer Outside Census County (1841)
MCGREIGOR John M 26 Ag Labourer Aberdeenshire
TAYLOR Alexander M 17 Ag Labourer Outside Census County (1841)
BLITHE William M 15 Ag Labourer Aberdeenshire
ADAMS John M 16 Gardener Apprentice Aberdeenshire
SKINER James M 17 Gardener Apprentice Aberdeenshire
LION James M 15 Male Servant Aberdeenshire
WILSON Margret F 24 Female Servant Aberdeenshire
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Piece: SCT1841/192 Place: Ellon-Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Ellon Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 5 Page: 8
Address: Midstrath Of Arnage
STRACHAN James M 55 Farmer Aberdeenshire
STRACHAN Helen F 55 Aberdeenshire
STRACHAN Eliza F 25 Aberdeenshire
STRACHAN Isabella F 20 Aberdeenshire
STRACHAN James M 20 Aberdeenshire
STRACHAN Mary F 15 Aberdeenshire
COOK John M 20 Ag Lab Aberdeenshire
LYON James M 15 Ag Lab Aberdeenshire
SKENE Thomas M 20 Ag Lab Aberdeenshire
DALGARDNO William M 15 Ag Lab Aberdeenshire
ROBB Archibald M 25 Ag Lab Aberdeenshire
SIMPSON George M 10 Ag Lab Aberdeenshire
PARK Eliza F 20 Female Servant Aberdeenshire
SMALL Ann F 15 Female Servant Aberdeenshire
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Jack

[Heather Lyon]

Thanks Jack

How did you manage to find all these entries?

I think William Lyons is my William so he would be alive in 1841. Also neither William or George are burried in the family graveyard in Methlick.

James is a difficult one although his grandfather was a master tailor according to the death certificate of James Lyon b around 1800. Howeveer I will have a look at the other James Lyon entries you have found.

The entry for Barbara Leag is not a transcription error because she married again inn 1928. On her death data it states that she was previously the widow of James Lyon. She had a son by her first marriage to James Lyon who was also b around 1825 and died 1901. I am not sure if the James Lyon b Methlick 1825 belongs to my family or the family of Richard Lyon. Perhaps Richard would add his piece to this as we have hit a brick wall.

There was another James Lyon b around 1840 who died 20 April 1890 age 41 at Greenhill Cottage, Haddo. He was married to Jane Smith Fowler and it states on his death data that his father was James Lyon farmer rerputed father deceased and his mother was Janes Smith housekeeper deceased. We cannot find the birth data for this James.

There seems to be a few Lyons connected with Haddo House, Aberdeen as Barbara Beattie's daughter Margaret and her husband John Chrystal worked there Also Barbara Beattie died at the door of the dwellinghouse of Haddo. There were also members of the Lyon family from Tarves working at Haddo House.

Thanks again for your help.

Heather