Birth Registered twice - why ?.....

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Birth Registered twice - why ?.....

Post by grannysrock » Sun Dec 04, 2005 6:02 pm

Ann Law Middleton's birth was registered in Logie-Pert on 30th September 1863 and then 7 days later in Edzell - both registrations give her pob as Mains of Logie ( Logie-Pert) and her mother Margaret Middleton's domicil as Craigashino , Edzell .

In the when and where registerd column, the Edzell Registration repeats the details of the Logie-Pert The 2nd registration repeats the details of the first registration and underneath says 'October 7th transcribed at Edzell Wm Ayre registrar,

Alongside the entry on the Right hand side it says Parish of Birth Logie-Pert - but nowhere on either entry is there a mention of an RCE ?

Is there any explanation of this other than that the Edzell registrar was not up to speed ... ?

Sally
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Newhaven-DRYBURGH,NICOLL,HUNTER(+Alloa) ; Lesmahagow-MITCHELL,LAMB, BARR, BROWN,CALLAN; Comrie-MCDOUGALL, MCEWEN, MCLAREN, BRYSON; BEW - PRINGLE, FISHER,SPENCE;Edzell-MIDDLETON,DORWARD;
Edin.-JOHNSTON, MONTGOMERY;Fife-SIME, FORRESTER, WANLESS

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Post by DavidWW » Sun Dec 04, 2005 6:57 pm

The most frequent reason for such a double registration is that the birth was first registered in the "wrong" RD, i.e. not the RD where the parents lived, as opposed to where the birth took place, hence the 'October 7th transcribed at Edzell Wm Ayre registrar', annotation.

David

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Post by grannysrock » Sun Dec 04, 2005 7:05 pm

HI David

Do you mean that the correct place of registration was where the parents lived ? I had always assumed it was the place of birth.

Sally
Newhaven-DRYBURGH,NICOLL,HUNTER(+Alloa) ; Lesmahagow-MITCHELL,LAMB, BARR, BROWN,CALLAN; Comrie-MCDOUGALL, MCEWEN, MCLAREN, BRYSON; BEW - PRINGLE, FISHER,SPENCE;Edzell-MIDDLETON,DORWARD;
Edin.-JOHNSTON, MONTGOMERY;Fife-SIME, FORRESTER, WANLESS

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Post by DavidWW » Sun Dec 04, 2005 7:16 pm

grannysrock wrote:HI David

Do you mean that the correct place of registration was where the parents lived ? I had always assumed it was the place of birth.

Sally
Nope, - back in the 1800s and the early 1900s, the place of residence of the parents was the correct place of registration, even if acouple of 100 miles away, not unusual if the wife had gone back to her mammies for the birth of the first child especially ...............

Once the NHS came into being then the place of birth ruled if it was a hospital, but the "usual residence" of the parents was shown.

David
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Post by grannysrock » Sun Dec 04, 2005 8:06 pm

Thanks David I never knew that - I'm learning every day here.
:)
The birth was illegitimate by the way, and I've just noticed that her sister's illegitimate son was also registered in 2 parishes ... one being Edzell.

I wonder if they were "sent away" to have their babies?


Thanks again for enlightening me

Sally
Newhaven-DRYBURGH,NICOLL,HUNTER(+Alloa) ; Lesmahagow-MITCHELL,LAMB, BARR, BROWN,CALLAN; Comrie-MCDOUGALL, MCEWEN, MCLAREN, BRYSON; BEW - PRINGLE, FISHER,SPENCE;Edzell-MIDDLETON,DORWARD;
Edin.-JOHNSTON, MONTGOMERY;Fife-SIME, FORRESTER, WANLESS

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Post by joette » Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:53 pm

Yes I have a relie who is born in Grannys house in Penicuik where I get the impression Mother was living rather than with Hubby who was in the Barracks at Glencorse.Father/Grandfather not happy about marriage & I think it was a shotgun affair but from the couples to Parents in order to wed.The baby is born 3 months after the wedding.He is described as a"bad lot" & I know the Marriage was not a happy one & she died young at the parents again & he remarries pretty quickly.
Mother registers in Penicuik & Father in Glencorse although there is mention of both Registrations in both entries. Was this because of the Army rather than the Birth/Residence
Researching:SCOTT,Taylor,Young,VEITCH LINLEY,MIDLOTHIAN
WADDELL,ROSS,TORRANCE,GOVAN/DALMUIR/Clackmanannshire
CARR/LEITCH-Scotland,Ireland(County Donegal)
LINLEY/VEITCH-SASK.Canada
ALSO BROWN,MCKIMMIE,MCDOWALL,FRASER.
Greer/Grier,Jenkins/Jankins

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Post by Lahb » Mon Dec 05, 2005 7:49 pm

Glad to come upon this topic as I've got a double birth entry myself that I've sent for and expect to receive any time now. However, this person also has a double christening entry! What might be the reasons for that? It wouldn't have been common to have two christenings would it? The dates are off by a few months but it seems to be the same person. (these are OPR records if that is of any use)

Lisa
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Post by IanS » Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:06 pm

Hi Lisa, Out of curiosity, what were the 2 birth dates and the 2 christening dates? Don't need the names just the dates.

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Post by Lahb » Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:45 pm

Hi IanS here are the brief details:

Female Birth: 20 MAR 1836 Greenock Par, , Renfrew, Scotland
Female Birth: 04 APR 1836 Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland

Christening: 10 APR 1836 West Or Old Parish, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Christening: 24 JUN 1836 West Or Old Parish, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland

I ordered the birth OPR's last month so hope to see them in the mail in the next week or two - might give a few more answers.
McFarlane, Harkley, Innes, McLean,Davie,Rainey

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Post by IanS » Tue Dec 06, 2005 9:39 pm

Hi Lisa , Curious! 24th June 1836 was a Friday. I haven't a clue whether the Established Church did Friday night Christenings. It might just be a transcription error and the 24th should read 26th.........

Totally speculative, but wonder if they changed churches, there are some non-conformist records in the O.P.R. Maybe had to get christened again, and by that time parents forgot his birth date :lol: Don't know, so would be interested in hearing what the results are.