Marraige Certificate.....

melvinboy · Post by **melvinboy** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:58 pm

I have a marraige certificate for a James Lindsay and Janet Maxwell and where it would normally have there occupation it has far both the bride and groom NO RELATIONSHIP.The grooms parents are stated as Robert Gilmour and Jean Law.How can a Gilmour and a Law have a son named Lindsay? Can anyone help as i have never come across this before.[/b]

Russell · Post by **Russell** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:23 pm

Hi Melvinboy

If the groom was illlegitimate but aknowledged by his father and had his father's name he would keep it after his mother married.
Or
If his mother was entering into a second marriage having lost James Lindsay's father to accident or illness he would be entitled to keep his name.

I don't understand the 'NO RELATIONSHIP' bit though unless her parents were Lindsays or Laws.
Have you looked on SP for a previous marriage for Jean Law or birth record for James Lindsay?
Either might give further clues which would solve the mystery.

Russell

melvinboy · Post by **melvinboy** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:13 pm

Hi,
Thanks for youre reply,I cant trace James Lindsay's birth.I found the parents births Robert Gilmour b.27/3/1822 and Jean Law b.6/9/1833 they were married on 26/11/1852 only 13 years before James Lindsay married Janet Maxwell on the marraige certificate James age looks like 34 and Janets is 18,that was in 1865.That would mean James was born around 1831 before Jean Law was even born and Robert Gilmour was only 9 years old.If im not reading it correctly and James was 24 he would have been born around 1841 which would make Robert Gilmour 19 and Jean Law 8.It just doesnt make any sense to me at all,i have done loads on family trees for years now and this is the first time i have come across this.The bit underneath both James and Janets names on the marraige certificate saying no relationship is a first for me as well.Maybe someone can solve it,thanks again for youre reply....

CatrionaL · Post by **CatrionaL** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:37 pm

Hi melvinboy

I wonder if it might be helpful for you to upload the certificate to the TS gallery. Some of our posters are very good at decifering certificates.

Catriona

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:41 pm

melvinboy wrote:Hi,
Thanks for youre reply,I cant trace James Lindsay's birth.I found the parents births Robert Gilmour b.27/3/1822 and Jean Law b.6/9/1833 they were married on 26/11/1852 only 13 years before James Lindsay married Janet Maxwell on the marraige certificate James age looks like 34 and Janets is 18,that was in 1865.That would mean James was born around 1831 before Jean Law was even born and Robert Gilmour was only 9 years old.If im not reading it correctly and James was 24 he would have been born around 1841 which would make Robert Gilmour 19 and Jean Law 8.It just doesnt make any sense to me at all,i have done loads on family trees for years now and this is the first time i have come across this.The bit underneath both James and Janets names on the marraige certificate saying no relationship is a first for me as well.Maybe someone can solve it,thanks again for youre reply....

According to the SP Index the relationship was given from 1855 - 1860 . Maybe this registrar hated change. If you look at the column title it may say there.

I'm sure you'll have this but here is James in 1881.

Dwelling: Brotus
Census Place: Cults, Fife, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203518 GRO Ref Volume 419 EnumDist 2 Page 2
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
James LINDSAY M 40 M Kennoway, Fife, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Limestone Miner
Janet LINDSAY M 33 F Kettle, Fife, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Robert LINDSAY U 15 M Kettle, Fife, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Limestone Miners Son
Margaret LINDSAY U 13 F Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
George LINDSAY U 6 M Kennoway, Fife, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Jane LINDSAY U 4 F Kettle, Fife, Scotland
Rel: Daur

Regards,
Annette M

Post by **AndrewP** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:44 pm

Hi,

The online IGI shows the follwing children to James Lindsay and Janet Maxwell.

ROBERT LINDSAY - Birth: 15 JAN 1866 Kettle, Fife
MARGARET LINDSAY - Birth: 20 DEC 1867 Kirkcaldy, Fife
GEORGINA LAW MAXWELL LINDSAY - Birth: 18 JUL 1869 Auchterderran, Fife
GEORGE LINDSAY - Birth: 24 AUG 1874 Kennoway, Fife

The 1881 census gives the following family group.

Dwelling: Brotus
Census Place: Cults, Fife, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203518 GRO Ref Volume 419 EnumDist 2 Page 2
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
James LINDSAY M 40 M Kennoway, Fife, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Limestone Miner
Janet LINDSAY M 33 F Kettle, Fife, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Robert LINDSAY U 15 M Kettle, Fife, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Limestone Miners Son
Margaret LINDSAY U 13 F Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
George LINDSAY U 6 M Kennoway, Fife, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Jane LINDSAY U 4 F Kettle, Fife, Scotland

So that gives some pointers for a birth year and birth place for James. It looks like Georgina (with the interesting collection of middle names) may have died before the 1881 census. The online IGI stops at 1875, hence Jane's absence fom there.

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

PS - Snap, Annette

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:09 pm

Hello again,

There is a Jane Law / Gilmour death on SP in 1892 that may be worth a look.
I think this is probably her in 1881.
Dwelling: No 24
Census Place: Kennoway, Fife, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203524 GRO Ref Volume 434 EnumDist 1 Page 3
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Jane GILMOUR W 63 F Kennoway, Fife, Scotland
Rel: Head
Eliza FINLAYSON U 49 F Kincardine On Forth
Rel: Boarder Handicap: Imbecile
Occ: Annuitant
Margt. WILSON U 38 F Auchterderran, Fife, Scotland
Rel: Boarder Handicap: Imbecile

Annette M

melvinboy · Post by **melvinboy** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:02 pm

HI AGAIN,
Thanks for all youre replies,can someone tell me how to put the certificate on to the discussion group.I have been trying all afternoon to find the death of James Lindsay but keep finding the wrong one.I found the death of his wife in 1922 in Kettle and she was a widow so he had died by then.I was going to see if it had the same names on his death certificate for his parents.He must have been born around 1841 according to the 1881 census.The families all seemed to come from around the Kettle and Kennoway areas,thanks again for all of youre help.

Post by **AndrewP** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:13 pm

Try these instructions as given by Nelmit.

Nelmit wrote:You have to be logged in and then.....
Click on Gallery (above)
Click on upload file
Click browse
This takes you to your computer where you should find the image you want to upload.
Double click on the file.
Click on continue - Your file is now uploaded.
I think you then have to wait for approval from TSAG who will post it in the gallery.

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

melvinboy · Post by **melvinboy** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:48 pm

I have uploaded the certificate dont know if i have done it properly but it should be there.

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... p?pos=-426

Gallery URL added - AndrewP

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