HELP.....

[AnnetteR]

Hi all

I need some help (well a lot actually) on deciphering the maiden surname of the mother of the bride. Father: Frederick Boll, Mother Mary MS ?

Also am I right in assuming the groom's (James Wood) mother's MS is Dugan? The entire certificate is a mess. Link to the certificate is (if I have done this correctly) http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-99

Thanks in advance

Annette

[HeatherV]

Hi Annette,

I don't know if this is a help or not :

Enter James Wood and Janet Dugan in the IGI search, I see one child there, Elisabeth Wood born 01 APR 1859 Kilmarnock. Could this possibly be a younger sister of Ruth Ann and thus confirming the last name Dugan?
Same Parish - just a guess though.

Best Regards,

Heatherv

[IanS]

Annette, Do a search for a possible marriage of Frederick and Mary on the I.G.I. using the similar (?) sounding surname of Boels- dont forget the 's' on the end. This spelling came up when I searched on what I thought was a possible soundex name of Boals.There is a birth for a Ruth Ann under the same spelling. If it is the same family, Ruth was telling little fibs about her age.

[IanS]

Annette, whilst playing about on the I.G.I. and substituting vowels etc, on the parent search, I found a James Bales 1855- to Frederick and Mary- I think it might be worth spending 6 credits on S.P. to see what it said. The reason I was looking for more children was that I didn't think the 1857 birth was probably the first, but there might be more children hiding under transcription errors, aural or written, and was hoping for an 1855 birth.

[IanS]

Annette, just another wee observation. On the I.G.I. There are no other Bales in Ayrshire, suggesting that it could very well be a transcription error of sorts for james 1855.

[DavidWW]

Hi all

I need some help (well a lot actually) on deciphering the maiden surname of the mother of the bride. Father: Frederick Boll, Mother Mary MS ?

Also am I right in assuming the groom's (James Wood) mother's MS is Dugan? The entire certificate is a mess. Link to the certificate is (if I have done this correctly) http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-99

Thanks in advance

Annette

I'd read it as BELL, but would agree with DUGAN.

Davie

[sporran]

Hello Annette,


it reads Boll to me, but the IGI Boels and the SP death of Frederick Boles in 1868 (Kilmarnock) give rise to other interpretations of the name. I would not be surprised to find the odd Bowles in amongst them as well.


Regards,

John

[AnnetteR]

Hi guys

First and foremost many thanks for taking the trouble to help me with my problem.

Heather - Thanks to you I have confirmed that it is Dugan although the variants come up as Duggin, Dugan and Dougan as per SP and Elizabeth could well be the sister of James - I've yet to confirm that but the death certificate for James in 1918 gives his age at 62 but according to the marriage certificate he should have been born circa 1853.

Ian - Spot on - Frederick Boels and Mary McCartney - children listed on the IGI are Mary, Ruth Ann, John and Frederick. You deserve a big lollipop Clicking on the batch number also brought up James Bales born 1855 - all excited went in to SP - and guess what - no image available however I am pretty certain it is him as the father is listed on the IGI as Frederick Bales and the mother is Mary McCartney and it is Kilmarnock so it looks pretty certain. Not to worry I have enough now to work on for a while.

You are right about wee Ruth - who eventually becomes Annie(spelling this time is Bole) - telling fibs. She was only 15 when she got married and not 19 as the MC states, mind you, looks like James was fibbing too. Anyway I have opened up a can of worms for myself because on the 1881 census James is living at his mother's house (address confirmed via one of the certifcates). He is stated as being married but no Ruthie or Annie there so checking out the census for her I find an Annie Wood living with a William Wood and marital status is N/A but relation to head is wife? Could this be a brother of James. Tut Tut. Next problem is I can't for the life of me find her death before 1899 when James re-marries a Janet Rankin and he states he is a bachelor on the certificate. Anyone got any ideas on that one?

I'm off to try to repair the damage I've done to my head by pulling my hair out. I've been at this all afternoon and my credit card has taken a severe bashing. Why do our ancestors do this to us? They should know we are going to be looking for them a couple of hundred years down the line so why be so 'econimical' with the truth

Thanks to all who answered

Cheers

Annette

[Jack]

Hi Annette,

Ruth Ann in 1861 (but maybe transcription error).
1861 cens 597 Ed10 p13 (Kilmarnock)
Frederick BOYLE, 26, b Ireland
Mary, 28, b Maybole
James, 5, b Kilmarnock
Ruth A., 3, b ditto
Mary, 1, b ditto
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Mother Mary's parents?
1861 605 Ed7 p22 (Maybole)
James McCARTNEY, 65, b Ireland
Ruth, 53, b ditto
William, 33, b Maybole
Jessie, 25, b ditto
Elizabeth, 22, b ditto
Jemima, 18, b ditto
James, 16, b ditto
Sarah, 14, b ditto
Helen, 12, b ditto
Annie, 7, b ditto
[A Mary 21 is at Maybole in 1851 [605(487) Ed12 p2] with above family]
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Also at Maybole in 1851 [605(487) Ed16 p5] - Frederick??
John BOELS, 62
Ann, 40,
Ann Jane, 11
Fred Augustas, 15
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Jack

[nelmit]

Hi All,

From Jack's 1851 info - McCartneys in Maybole 1841 in alphabetical order
MCCARTNEY Anne F 9y AYR
MCCARTNEY Eliza F 3y AYR
MCCARTNEY George M 38y Male Servant AYR
MCCARTNEY George M 12y AYR
MCCARTNEY James M 45y Tea Dealer IRL
MCCARTNEY Jane F 40y AYR
MCCARTNEY Jane F 8y AYR
MCCARTNEY Jessie F 7y AYR
MCCARTNEY Margaret F 15y Dressmaker AYR
MCCARTNEY Mary F 6y AYR
MCCARTNEY Mary F 11y AYR
MCCARTNEY Mary F 80y Female Servant AYR
MCCARTNEY Ruth F 30y IRL
MCCARTNEY Sarah F 10y AYR
MCCARTNEY Sarah F 5y AYR
MCCARTNEY William M 13y Tailor, Appren AYR


Annette,

If you have ancestors from Maybole they have a great website at www.maybole.org where you can download the 1841 census in excel.

Annette M