Henry Madden death?.....

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Tue May 16, 2006 2:03 am

I have been looking for the death of Henry Madden in Glasgow for ages, probably between 1871 and 1881. He was last living in Tradeston with his son John in 1871, but is not on the 1881 census. He was born around 1798 in Ireland and was married to Mary Green. She died in 1861. There are only four deaths on SP for all of Scotland, and one has no image. The others are not him.

Although the age given for the year of death is a little off (63) I would still have liked to see the image. It is noted as:

1875 MADDEN HENRY M 63 / 644/3X 0071 No Image ORDER

No area given, just that slash. Can anyone please explain why there is no image online, and yet I can apparently pay ten pounds to order it? Is someone able to have a peek at the record in order that I at least know if it is worth purchasing?

Nina

Post by **AndrewP** » Tue May 16, 2006 2:43 am

Hi Nina,

The X-suffix indicates that the record is in a supplementary book. The supplementary books don't seem to be successfully indexed by ScotlandsPeople to link them to the images. I believe the area 644/3X should be a supplementary book within 644/03 - Glasgow (Dennistoun) in 1875.

See viewtopic.php?t=4104 for more information.

Go to ScotlandsPeople and enter a contact form. I would hope that they would send you a copy of the certificate by post.

All the best,

AndrewP

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Tue May 16, 2006 2:50 am

Thanks Andrew,

I read the other thread, and have asked Dollard what their response was at SP, so I know what to expect.

Nina

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Tue May 16, 2006 10:12 am

Hello Nina,

If, as Andrew says, it's the Dennistoun area then there is a good chance it was the poorhouse he died in. I'll have a look at The Mitchell index at the weekend.

Kind regards,
Annette M

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Tue May 16, 2006 11:21 am

Thanks for that Nelmit, I appreciate it. I just don't know where else to look!

Nina

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Fri May 26, 2006 6:06 pm

nelmit wrote:Hello Nina,

If, as Andrew says, it's the Dennistoun area then there is a good chance it was the poorhouse he died in. I'll have a look at The Mitchell index at the weekend.

Kind regards,
Annette M

Sorry, there was no application for Henry or his wife that I could see.

Although there isn't one for Alexander there appears to be one for his wife Elizabeth made in 1881. Was she born in Paisley in 1815?
This seems to be her in 1881.

Dwelling: 32 Orr Street
Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203634 GRO Ref Volume 644-2 EnumDist 29 Page 3
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Elizabeth ALLISON W 66 F Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Hand Yarn Winder
James ALLISON U 22 M Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Rope Spinner

It will have to wait for another day though as there was no production in the archives today. In case you want to request it by mail the reference is D - HEW 10/2/65 page 144. Let me know if you would like me to look next time I'm there.

Kind regards,
Annette M

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Fri May 26, 2006 11:02 pm

Thanks very much for that Annette,

Pity about Henry, but thanks so much for looking anyway.

Yes that is my Elizabeth in the 1881 although son James has had a few years shaved off his age - he should be 28, but Lizzie gives her age as I have it. The occupations are the same as on the 1871.

I would love to see what the poorhouse records say about Elizabeth....I will look forward to hearing from you.

Thanks again

Nina

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:03 am

Nelmit, would you mind looking at Elizabeth's records next time you are there? It might give me some clues.

Nina

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:59 pm

ninatoo wrote:Nelmit, would you mind looking at Elizabeth's records next time you are there? It might give me some clues.

Nina

Hello Nina,

I've been really busy at work so too tired at weekends but I made it to The Mitchell today.

Here is Elizabeth's application made on 28th September 1881:

Elizabeth Henderson Lyall Allison
52 Tureen St. back 2 up left.

Place of birth - The North Croft Paisley.

Widow age 66 born 25th July.
Protestant.

1st husband John Lyall age 26 born in The North Croft Paisley, a weaver died 42 years ago.
2nd Alexander Allison age 70 born Carriagehill Paisley, a weaver died 9th December 1871, son of John Allison and Janet White both dead.

Children- Margaret Allison age 30 born North Croft Paisley married+ 4 to Robert Bowie a tailor. Assists his mother resides 1 thought it said Connely but looking at the 1881 census it's Comely Place.
James Allison age 28 born North Croft Paisley a rope spinner earned 20/- a week when working. Has been idle for about 12 months with mother working occasionaly.

Applicants parents James Henderson and Elizabeth Devine both dead.

Was married by the Rev. ? McNair minister Established Church Paisley, September 1840.
Rent 7/- a month 1 apartment, 2 beds, no lodgers. Clean and tidy house.
A bit followed re previous addresses one being 29 Laundressy Street which is where she would have been staying at the time of Alexander's death.

She was offered poorhouse but she did not accept.
Husband's relatives, none.
Applicant's relatives- 1 sister Sarah a widow + 2. (Husband Charles Ferguson a gardener) a winder lives near Clark's Mill Paisley.

30.9.01 House - not in.

So hopefully now you know if the Alexander you found is 'your Alexander'.

Kind regards,
Annette M

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:44 pm

Wow,

Thanks Nelmit, you never fail to come through!

She is most definetly my Elizabeth, and the death I have found for Alexander has those parents (although she is a year off - he died in 1872, but ALL other details fit, including addresses). You have told me a few things I didn't know, for example, that Elizabeth had been married before, as well as exact birthplaces, and that she had a sister Sarah.

THANKS AGAIN!!! I appreciate it so much!

Nina

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