Catherine O'Brien death.....

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:18 pm

Hi all,

I am looking for the death of Catherine O'Brien, born High Church District, Glasgow, 1862, and died probably before 1871 census. I have searched using *ath*rine *br*n and nothing logical turns up. Her father was Thomas O'Brien and her mother was Mary Glancy.

Any ideas and help appreciated!

Nina

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:33 am

Hi Nina

Hmmm....

k ..I assume you have good reason to believe she didn't survive. I mean I don't find the family at all in 1871 but according to the IGI they had a baby right there in High Church (well actually not in a church

) in 1871 and 1872....so where are they hiding?.......and is it possible wee Catherine is just hiding with them???

1. JOHN O'BRIEN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 10 JUL 1856 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

2. JOHN O'BRIEN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 08 JUL 1871 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

3. CATHERINE O'BRIEN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 10 MAR 1862 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

4. MICHAEL O'BRIEN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 09 NOV 1872 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

Best wishes
Jean

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:17 am

Hi Jean,

The reason they are hard to find on the 1871 is that their name was mispelled O'Borne. I found it using wildcards *b*n*. However some of the children are listed as O'Brian...surely the enumerator would have realised his error, possibly due to the Irish accent! Anyway, Catherine is not with them.

A possible relative of Mary's is living with them, a Thomas Clancy aged 12 and a possible relative of Thomas, Michael O'Brien aged 26 (not sure though because my Thomas was from Co. Leitrim, and Michael was from Co. Sligo.)

The John O'Brien born 1871 and Michael born 1872 are not from the same family, as the mother is Mary Kelly. Besides both my John and Michael survived until at least 1887.

The children I have are James (1844), Thomas (1850), Mary (1854), John (1856), Michael (1859) and Catherine (1862). James was born in Ireland, Thomas in Rutherglen, the rest in Glasgow. Catherine just seems to vanish after her birth!

Nina

Melmax · Post by **Melmax** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:53 am

Hi Nina,

I put in "O'Brien" then just "C", female, died 1855-1871 birth date 1862 +/- 5 years, in Glasgow city and got just 3 results. Do you suspect she died in Glasgow city?

Melissa

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:22 am

Hi Melissa,

Yes I would be almost certain that she died in Glasgow as the family were in 189 High Street in the 1861 census. In 1862 Catherine's birth was registered in the High Church District. In 1865 Catherine's eldest brother James married, giving his address as 11 Grammar School Wynd, but that is not to say he was living with his parents, just that at least HE is in Glasgow. In 1871 they are in Glasgow in Bell Street, Central District. They all remained in Glasgow until their deaths.

I have a poorhouse record for Catherine's mother which has a lot of detail and does not mention Catherine at all, and if there was a time where they left Scotland (perhaps to go back to Ireland) there is no mention of that either.

Thanks for trying a search Melissa, but the three possible deaths do not seem to be mine. One in Anderston with no mother's surname listed was checked and was not mine. The other two have mother's surnames listed and neither of them are remotely like Glancy so I haven't looked at them as it just seemed like a waste of money.

I know she has to be there somewhere...but how do I find her?

Nina

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 3:56 am

Well, after a year of going back and forth with Catherine O'Brien, I finally found her death registration! Poor little thing was only a month old when she died. It was under O'brine, and it would have been picked up a lot sooner if I hadn't kept putting her approximate age in the box! She has her age listed as unknown (U) despite the certificate clearly stating she was a month old.

I wonder if this is particular to the year 1862, as I am sure this kind of thing has happened to me before...should have learned after the first time

.

Anyway it is strange, the things that happen during this research. The search for Catherine has bugged me for ages, and when I found her death registration, I was amazed to see she had died on my birth date 99 years before I was born. Spooky!

Nina

Post by **AndrewP** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:47 am

Hi Nina,

The deaths index from 1855 (1856?) to 1865 has the age at death missing for a significant proportion of the entries. This originates from the GROS indexes that are used in New Register House, and were subsequently passed on to ScotlandsPeople. These are gradually being added in, but in the meantime, deaths in that era that don't show up in the expected age group should be left with the age criteria blank (as you now know).

See the following page on SP for some infomation on the subject.
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/conte ... ex.aspx?56

If a search with no ages shows too many results, another method to use if it was in the 1855 to 1865 period is to search separately for deaths at age 131. That is what the unindexed ages are indexed as until the true age is indexed. Some age was required to make the database work, and ages up to 130 are allowed for in the index for real age at death.

All the best,

AndrewP

nancy · Post by **nancy** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:04 pm

Hi Nina,I just came across your post,and was about to suggest trying O'Brine and O'Bryne.Some of my O'Brien rellies were discovered under those spellings in Paisley Poorlaw Records.Will have to see if there's a connection?
We had a James,John,Catherine,Michael,Edward and Rebecca!
Glad you found her eventually

Cheers Nancy

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:26 pm

Hi Andrew and Nancy,

Thanks for the information Andrew...yes I should have read more extensively at SP then I would have known better...my bad! Thanks for that great little tip there about using 131. I will have to try it with a few more unfound deaths I have!

Thanks Nancy for your kind words. I don't think we will be connected as all my O'Briens seem to have stayed in Glasgow. They arrived in 1845-1850 and never left as far as I have been able to tell!

Nina