I have William Anderson's death certificate...Died 25 Nov 1911 9 Mount Pleasant Street , Greenock, Scotland b. 26 Oct 1837 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland . He is listed as Blacksmith widower of Agnes McGilchrist Spencer...so far so good all info here is correct...
HOWEVER
listed as his parents are William Anderson ...miner (deceased) and Agnes Arbuckle Anderson m.s. McWhirter (deceased)
Informant was John Jamieson his Son-in-law which is also correct
From all the research done his parents should be Hugh Anderson and Ann Paterson
COULD the informant not given the correct information????? I have gone over every detail I have and still find no idea as to how this could have come about...
Obituary in the Greenock Telegraph:
William Anderson, formerly of Overton, died 9 Mount Plesant Street, Greenock on 25th November 1911. He was a smith at Paper Factory 1881 Census in Paper Mill Cottage, Overton,West Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland. He was married to Agnes McGilchrist Spencer on 20 August 1858 in Kilmaurs, Ayrshire, Scotland.
Children of William Anderson and Agnes McGilchrist Spencer:
Hugh Anderson b.15 Jan 1859 Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland
Archibald Spencer Anderson b.09 May 1860
Margaret Jane Anderson b.28 Oct 1861 Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
Annie Paterson Anderson b.05 Jul 1863.Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland ...my GGgrandmother
William Anderson b.21 Mar 1865 Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
Agnes McGilchrist Anderson b.26 Jun 1868 Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
Henrietta Anderson b.05 Aug 1870 Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
Samuel Spence Anderson b.29 Jun 1872 Middle-East-West ParishesGreenock, Renfrew Scotland
Janet Anderson b.04 May 1874 Middle-East-West ParishesGreenock, Renfrew Scotland
Joanna Spencer Anderson b.20 Jul 1878 Middle-East-West ParishesGreenock, Renfrew Scotland
This would be my GGGgrandfather and seriously messes me up.....any input on this would be greatly appreciated...
ANDY you have helped me with this branch before.....and I am now trying to get all the cert. and images to go with it...
Wendy
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Hi Wendy, I don't have my original notes for William and Agnes but the 1858 Marriage cert should be online. That will be much more likely to have the correct parents named.
The Arbuckle middle name is familiar but I think the names given on the marriage cert were Hugh and Ann Paterson which is much more likely to be correct.
Especially since Agnes' mother was (from memory) Margaret Jane McWhirter. So it looks like John got a bit confused over the details.
A quick IGI search clears this up VERY quickly. There are no births recorded for William Anderson and Agnes McWhirter. However HUGH Anderson and Ann Paterson produced the following SUBMISSIONS (which helps explain the Arbuckle):
1. MARY ARBUCKLE ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 30 MAY 1843
2. MARY ARBUCKLE ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 25 JUN 1843 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
3. JANE ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 16 FEB 1841
4. JANE ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 14 MAR 1841 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
5. HUGH ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 24 MAR 1839
6. HUGH ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 14 APR 1839 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
7. WILLIAM ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 26 OCT 1837 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
8. JAMES ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 16 JAN 1845
9. JAMES ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 09 FEB 1845 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
10. William Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 26 OCT 1837 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
11. Hugh Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 24 MAR 1839 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
12. Jane Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 16 FEB 1841 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
13. James Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 16 JAN 1845 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
14. THOMAS ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 02 AUG 1855 Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
15. Alexander Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 1848 Of, Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
16. James Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 10 JUL 1853 Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
17. Thomas Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 1856 Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
18. William Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 26 OCT 1837 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
19. Hugh Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 24 MAR 1839 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
20. Jane Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 16 FEB 1841 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
21. Mary Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 1844 Of, Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
22. James Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 16 JAN 1845 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
23. Alexander Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 1848 Of, Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
24. James Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 1849 Of, Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
25. James Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 10 JUL 1853 Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
26. Thomas Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 1856 Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
27. Hugh Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 24 MAR 1839 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
28. William Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 26 OCT 1837 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
29. James Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 16 JAN 1845 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
30. Mary Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 1844 Of, Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
31. Jane Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 16 FEB 1841 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
32. ROBERT ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 13 JUN 1851 Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
33. THOMAS ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 10 JUL 1853 Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
34. THOMAS ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Death: 1855
There is a likely extracted Marriage for William and Ann Paterson, not in Rutherglen:
HUGH ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 29 MAY 1836 Kilwinning, Ayr, Scotland
I think this is Hugh and Ann in 1881:
Dwelling: 34 Crompton St
Census Place: Riccarton, Ayr, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203607 GRO Ref Volume 611 EnumDist 2 Page 8
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Hugh ANDERSON M 69 M Ayr, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Rtd Blacksmith
Ann P. ANDERSON M 68 F Kilwinning, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Occ: Housekeeper
And Annie Paterson Anderson's eldest brother, Hugh:
Dwelling: 40 East Lyon Street
Census Place: Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203634 GRO Ref Volume 644-2 EnumDist 22 Page 15
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Hugh ANDERSON M 22 M Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Match Maker
Janet ANDERSON M 24 F Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Occ: Match Makers Wife
William ANDERSON 2 m M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
The Arbuckle middle name is familiar but I think the names given on the marriage cert were Hugh and Ann Paterson which is much more likely to be correct.
Especially since Agnes' mother was (from memory) Margaret Jane McWhirter. So it looks like John got a bit confused over the details.
A quick IGI search clears this up VERY quickly. There are no births recorded for William Anderson and Agnes McWhirter. However HUGH Anderson and Ann Paterson produced the following SUBMISSIONS (which helps explain the Arbuckle):
1. MARY ARBUCKLE ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 30 MAY 1843
2. MARY ARBUCKLE ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 25 JUN 1843 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
3. JANE ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 16 FEB 1841
4. JANE ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 14 MAR 1841 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
5. HUGH ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 24 MAR 1839
6. HUGH ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 14 APR 1839 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
7. WILLIAM ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 26 OCT 1837 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
8. JAMES ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 16 JAN 1845
9. JAMES ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 09 FEB 1845 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
10. William Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 26 OCT 1837 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
11. Hugh Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 24 MAR 1839 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
12. Jane Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 16 FEB 1841 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
13. James Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 16 JAN 1845 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
14. THOMAS ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 02 AUG 1855 Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
15. Alexander Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 1848 Of, Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
16. James Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 10 JUL 1853 Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
17. Thomas Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 1856 Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
18. William Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 26 OCT 1837 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
19. Hugh Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 24 MAR 1839 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
20. Jane Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 16 FEB 1841 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
21. Mary Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 1844 Of, Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
22. James Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 16 JAN 1845 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
23. Alexander Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 1848 Of, Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
24. James Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 1849 Of, Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
25. James Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 10 JUL 1853 Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
26. Thomas Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 1856 Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
27. Hugh Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 24 MAR 1839 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
28. William Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 26 OCT 1837 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
29. James Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 16 JAN 1845 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
30. Mary Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 1844 Of, Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
31. Jane Anderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 16 FEB 1841 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
32. ROBERT ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 13 JUN 1851 Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
33. THOMAS ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 10 JUL 1853 Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland
34. THOMAS ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Death: 1855
There is a likely extracted Marriage for William and Ann Paterson, not in Rutherglen:
HUGH ANDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 29 MAY 1836 Kilwinning, Ayr, Scotland
I think this is Hugh and Ann in 1881:
Dwelling: 34 Crompton St
Census Place: Riccarton, Ayr, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203607 GRO Ref Volume 611 EnumDist 2 Page 8
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Hugh ANDERSON M 69 M Ayr, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Rtd Blacksmith
Ann P. ANDERSON M 68 F Kilwinning, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Occ: Housekeeper
And Annie Paterson Anderson's eldest brother, Hugh:
Dwelling: 40 East Lyon Street
Census Place: Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203634 GRO Ref Volume 644-2 EnumDist 22 Page 15
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Hugh ANDERSON M 22 M Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Match Maker
Janet ANDERSON M 24 F Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Occ: Match Makers Wife
William ANDERSON 2 m M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
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Hi there , it is possible at the death of someone for wrong info to be given , my great great grandfather on my mums line was Isaac McIlroy son of Isaac McIlroy and Elizabeth Kennedy however his father died when he was a toddler and she married a Bernard Ferns and she had another 8 kids and the informant put down father as Bernard McIlroy and Annie McIlroy previously Ferns m.s Kennedy and it was his son John who gave the details , she had used a middle name of Anne and he mistook his step granda , anyway just to let you know it is sometimes done on death certs . My dad never knew his aunts real name until I told him so be careful.
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The information of death certs tends to be the most unreliable. There are a number of reasons for this. Being stressed and upset mistakes can be made. Fathers and mothers are usually okay with the info on children's deaths but sons and daughters often made mistakes on parents details. The most usual is mixing up mother's surenames and fathers given names. The more distant the relationship, son - in - laws, nieces etc., the more likely there is to be mistakes.
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Wendy
An interesting one !!
I've never come across a death register info where the info is totally wrong, as here.......... bit and pieces wrong or missing, yes, but not everything.
Well, I have actually, only for it to turn out that different people of the same name were involved, but that can't be the case here, so I wouldn't be that concerned about your tree, - the earlier comments about the stress involved and a son-in-law being that bit further removed from the situation in terms of knowledge of the parents of his father-in-law are spot on.
In fact it's not just that, it's the whole situation with the plethora of names, especially unfamiliar ones if you are the son-in-law. Hands up all of you who can immediately quote the maiden name of your father-in-law's mother !! Naw, naw, Ah don't believe that proportion
some of youse is comin it.
When I registered my father-in-law's death a few years ago, I went prepared with all the necessary info. Even so, it was only on the double-check prior to signing that it was found that an error had crept in...........
I assume that you have HUGH ANDERSON's death register entry, - it's easy to find, in Ayshire, starting from Andy's 1881 census entry. This shows Hugh's parents as William ANDERSON and Jean ANDERSON MS GILLESPIE. so this could be the source of the name William on William Jnr's death register entry .... but that begs the question of the source of Agnes Arbuckle ANDERSON. The IGI middle name of Arbuckle infers that it's a family name somewhere in the tree, but where ??.................
There's plenty IGI refs for children of William ANDERSON and Jean GILLESPIE altho' many of them are patron submissions...........
There has to be a reasonable chance that William ANDERSON Snr survived to 1855 or later so that there could be a death register entry for him, but the bad news is that you will need to include the 1856 - 1866/67 period, when the age doesn't appear in the index (yet) for most entries, so that an age filter doesn't help, and that William ANDERSON Snr's occupation is shown as pedlar, and that occupation moved about a lot, so that it can't be certain that the death took place in Ayrshire.
Were I searching, my next port of call would be G&WSFHS for their index on the 1851 census for Ayr, Newton-on-Ayr and St Quivox, or FreeCen to check to see what is available for those parishes ............... since the other bad news is that surname ANDERSON in terms of frequency of occurence (Ah cannie ever write "common" as that has a different meaning in the West of Scotland
), so that it would be best to establish an age for him or his wife first before searching further in the statutory death indexes. "William" and "Jean" don't help either...... oh for a Felix and a Hepsibah 
Davie
An interesting one !!
I've never come across a death register info where the info is totally wrong, as here.......... bit and pieces wrong or missing, yes, but not everything.
Well, I have actually, only for it to turn out that different people of the same name were involved, but that can't be the case here, so I wouldn't be that concerned about your tree, - the earlier comments about the stress involved and a son-in-law being that bit further removed from the situation in terms of knowledge of the parents of his father-in-law are spot on.
In fact it's not just that, it's the whole situation with the plethora of names, especially unfamiliar ones if you are the son-in-law. Hands up all of you who can immediately quote the maiden name of your father-in-law's mother !! Naw, naw, Ah don't believe that proportion
some of youse is comin it.When I registered my father-in-law's death a few years ago, I went prepared with all the necessary info. Even so, it was only on the double-check prior to signing that it was found that an error had crept in...........
I assume that you have HUGH ANDERSON's death register entry, - it's easy to find, in Ayshire, starting from Andy's 1881 census entry. This shows Hugh's parents as William ANDERSON and Jean ANDERSON MS GILLESPIE. so this could be the source of the name William on William Jnr's death register entry .... but that begs the question of the source of Agnes Arbuckle ANDERSON. The IGI middle name of Arbuckle infers that it's a family name somewhere in the tree, but where ??.................
There's plenty IGI refs for children of William ANDERSON and Jean GILLESPIE altho' many of them are patron submissions...........
There has to be a reasonable chance that William ANDERSON Snr survived to 1855 or later so that there could be a death register entry for him, but the bad news is that you will need to include the 1856 - 1866/67 period, when the age doesn't appear in the index (yet) for most entries, so that an age filter doesn't help, and that William ANDERSON Snr's occupation is shown as pedlar, and that occupation moved about a lot, so that it can't be certain that the death took place in Ayrshire.
Were I searching, my next port of call would be G&WSFHS for their index on the 1851 census for Ayr, Newton-on-Ayr and St Quivox, or FreeCen to check to see what is available for those parishes ............... since the other bad news is that surname ANDERSON in terms of frequency of occurence (Ah cannie ever write "common" as that has a different meaning in the West of Scotland
), so that it would be best to establish an age for him or his wife first before searching further in the statutory death indexes. "William" and "Jean" don't help either...... oh for a Felix and a Hepsibah Davie
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Wendy
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Thank you
Hello....Thanks for the responses....
Andy I knew you would remeber this family...and have now calmed my heartrate back to normal....thought my tree was blowing up in my face...but all is ok....I can understand at the time of a death that we don't necessarily remember things properly...and as the distance from family widens...the information can become very hard....
I have William Anderson and Agnes Gilchrist Spencer MC and yes in fact has listed as parents HUGH ANDERSON and ANN PATERSON for William and
Archibald Spencer and Margaret Jane McWhirter listed as parents for Agnes
Witnesses were: Archibald Spencer and I THINK a Janet ????? boy my eyes are terrible....
I also have Hugh Anderson's death cert which states his parents were William Anderson and Jean Anderson m.s. Gillespie ( both deceased at Hughs' death) the informant being Hugh's son James....
so all is right with this branch....
the census info you gave for Hugh ( Annie's older brother) ...I have the MC Hugh Anderson married Janet Jardine Bell 02 Sep 1880 Greenock, Scotland...Janet's parents are listed as John Bell and Janet Orkney...am still trying to find more children from this marriage only have William so far...
So thanks to Jack ...Andy ...Billy ...Davie ...have lots more to do but have some great helpful hints as to where to search next....Davie I know Arbuckle is in this family somewhere ..but haven't gotten the link to it YET.....and yes it would be easier if the last name wasn't Anderson as OMG there are so many.....oh well will keep going.....
Am off to find William 's death (William Anderson married to Jean Gillespie)
which should be really easy to find
Ta ta for now...
Wendy
Andy I knew you would remeber this family...and have now calmed my heartrate back to normal....thought my tree was blowing up in my face...but all is ok....I can understand at the time of a death that we don't necessarily remember things properly...and as the distance from family widens...the information can become very hard....
I have William Anderson and Agnes Gilchrist Spencer MC and yes in fact has listed as parents HUGH ANDERSON and ANN PATERSON for William and
Archibald Spencer and Margaret Jane McWhirter listed as parents for Agnes
Witnesses were: Archibald Spencer and I THINK a Janet ????? boy my eyes are terrible....
I also have Hugh Anderson's death cert which states his parents were William Anderson and Jean Anderson m.s. Gillespie ( both deceased at Hughs' death) the informant being Hugh's son James....
so all is right with this branch....
the census info you gave for Hugh ( Annie's older brother) ...I have the MC Hugh Anderson married Janet Jardine Bell 02 Sep 1880 Greenock, Scotland...Janet's parents are listed as John Bell and Janet Orkney...am still trying to find more children from this marriage only have William so far...
So thanks to Jack ...Andy ...Billy ...Davie ...have lots more to do but have some great helpful hints as to where to search next....Davie I know Arbuckle is in this family somewhere ..but haven't gotten the link to it YET.....and yes it would be easier if the last name wasn't Anderson as OMG there are so many.....oh well will keep going.....
Am off to find William 's death (William Anderson married to Jean Gillespie)
which should be really easy to find
Ta ta for now...
Wendy
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Censuses
Hi Wendy,
Some censuses - just to bolster William as the son of Hugh ANDERSON & Ann PATERSON.
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1851 cens 598 (511) Ed 4 p 9 (Kilmaurs)
Gatehead.
Hugh ANDERSON, head, marr, 38, blacksmith, b Ayr, AYR
Ann ANDERSON, wife, 37, ------------ b Kilwinning, AYR
William ANDERSON, son, 13, scholar, b Rutherglen, LKS
Hugh ANDERSON, son, 11, scholar, b Rutherglen, LKS
Jane ANDERSON, daur, 9, scholar, b Rutherglen, LKS
Mary ANDERSON, daur, 7, scholar, b Rutherglen, LKS
Alexander ANDERSON, son, 3, ------ b Kilmaurs, AYR
James ANDERSON, son, 2, ------- b Kilmaurs
&
1861 cens 598 Ed 3 p 9 (Kilmaurs)
Thornton Row.
Hugh ANDERSON, head, marr, 51, blacksmith, b Ayr
Ann ANDERSON, wife, 48, blacksmith's wife, b Kilwinning
Hugh ANDERSON, son, u/m 22, blacksmith, b Rutherglen
Mary ANDERSON, daur, u/m 17, house maid, b Rutherglen
Alexander ANDERSON, son, 13, scholar, b Kilmaurs
James ANDERSON, son, 12, scholar, b Kilmaurs
Thomas ANDERSON, son, 5, --------- b Kilmaurs
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1861 cens 598 Ed 4 p 2 (Kilmaurs)
Gatehead.
William ANDERSON, head, marr, 23, blacksmith, b Rutherglen
Agnes ANDERSON, wife, 24, ------ b Kilmarnock, AYR
Hugh ANDERSON, son, 2, -------- b Kilmarnock
Archibald ANDERSON, son, 11 mos, - b Kilmaurs
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There is only one William ANDERSON in the area suggested by Davie - a 73 yr old fisherman b Newton, but wife is a 64 yr Mary, b Monkton. However, there are 5 Williams aged 73 to 84 in 5 other Ayrshire towns (Fenwick, Kilbirnie, Kilmarnock, Kirkmichael, Mauchline).
Jack
Some censuses - just to bolster William as the son of Hugh ANDERSON & Ann PATERSON.
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1851 cens 598 (511) Ed 4 p 9 (Kilmaurs)
Gatehead.
Hugh ANDERSON, head, marr, 38, blacksmith, b Ayr, AYR
Ann ANDERSON, wife, 37, ------------ b Kilwinning, AYR
William ANDERSON, son, 13, scholar, b Rutherglen, LKS
Hugh ANDERSON, son, 11, scholar, b Rutherglen, LKS
Jane ANDERSON, daur, 9, scholar, b Rutherglen, LKS
Mary ANDERSON, daur, 7, scholar, b Rutherglen, LKS
Alexander ANDERSON, son, 3, ------ b Kilmaurs, AYR
James ANDERSON, son, 2, ------- b Kilmaurs
&
1861 cens 598 Ed 3 p 9 (Kilmaurs)
Thornton Row.
Hugh ANDERSON, head, marr, 51, blacksmith, b Ayr
Ann ANDERSON, wife, 48, blacksmith's wife, b Kilwinning
Hugh ANDERSON, son, u/m 22, blacksmith, b Rutherglen
Mary ANDERSON, daur, u/m 17, house maid, b Rutherglen
Alexander ANDERSON, son, 13, scholar, b Kilmaurs
James ANDERSON, son, 12, scholar, b Kilmaurs
Thomas ANDERSON, son, 5, --------- b Kilmaurs
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1861 cens 598 Ed 4 p 2 (Kilmaurs)
Gatehead.
William ANDERSON, head, marr, 23, blacksmith, b Rutherglen
Agnes ANDERSON, wife, 24, ------ b Kilmarnock, AYR
Hugh ANDERSON, son, 2, -------- b Kilmarnock
Archibald ANDERSON, son, 11 mos, - b Kilmaurs
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There is only one William ANDERSON in the area suggested by Davie - a 73 yr old fisherman b Newton, but wife is a 64 yr Mary, b Monkton. However, there are 5 Williams aged 73 to 84 in 5 other Ayrshire towns (Fenwick, Kilbirnie, Kilmarnock, Kirkmichael, Mauchline).
Jack
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Wendy
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Thank you Jack
Hi Jack,
Thanks for the census unformation.......Have tried finding William but haven't got hin yet....my searches come back 0
must be doing something wrong....am anxious to find him so I can get death cert that will also give me his parents names.......
BTW when searching for a married ladies death details do you search by married name???? or maiden name as well???
many thanks again for your help
Wendy
Thanks for the census unformation.......Have tried finding William but haven't got hin yet....my searches come back 0
must be doing something wrong....am anxious to find him so I can get death cert that will also give me his parents names.......
BTW when searching for a married ladies death details do you search by married name???? or maiden name as well???
many thanks again for your help
Wendy
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WilmaM
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Re: Thank you Jack
Both or all.Wendy wrote:BTW when searching for a married ladies death details do you search by married name???? or maiden name as well???
Wendy
It's a good way of tracking the right one down by cross referencing the reference numbers.
Of course it's only as good as the information given at the time of death
Wilma
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Jack
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William Anderson
Hi Wendy,
I doubt you're doing anything wrong! William ANDERSON may well have died before 1855. If he was born say abt 1785 then he'd be abt 70 in 1855 - rather elderly way back then. So maybe no record for him - alas, same may hold true for wife Jean GILLESPIE too.
IF wife Jean died after 1855 then she should be indexed under GILLESPIE AND ANDERSON - provided the informant knew the details and got them right... and that there's been no wee errors on names. Gillespie could be spelled slightly different. So whilst Anderson in Scotland may not need *wildcards*, Gillespie might.
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Davie gave this great site about NameX that will open your eyes on variations!
http://www.imagepartners.co.uk/Thesaurus/AboutNameX.htm
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So sometimes it's easier to find the DC for married lady rather than a man - you've got at least 2 names to work with (maybe more if she'd married more than once and these names were on her DC too).
Best search for the lady on the least common (if possible) of her names first and pick out possibilities in the index. Then use the other name with the same forename, age, year, and place of death. If only one turns up it looks good, and look at the index entry and hope the GROS No. is the same.
So if the 2 names you searched for in the indexes have the same GROS No. and age it should be the same person.
Hope you can understand my ramblings!
Jack
I doubt you're doing anything wrong! William ANDERSON may well have died before 1855. If he was born say abt 1785 then he'd be abt 70 in 1855 - rather elderly way back then. So maybe no record for him - alas, same may hold true for wife Jean GILLESPIE too.
IF wife Jean died after 1855 then she should be indexed under GILLESPIE AND ANDERSON - provided the informant knew the details and got them right... and that there's been no wee errors on names. Gillespie could be spelled slightly different. So whilst Anderson in Scotland may not need *wildcards*, Gillespie might.
--
Davie gave this great site about NameX that will open your eyes on variations!
http://www.imagepartners.co.uk/Thesaurus/AboutNameX.htm
--
So sometimes it's easier to find the DC for married lady rather than a man - you've got at least 2 names to work with (maybe more if she'd married more than once and these names were on her DC too).
Best search for the lady on the least common (if possible) of her names first and pick out possibilities in the index. Then use the other name with the same forename, age, year, and place of death. If only one turns up it looks good, and look at the index entry and hope the GROS No. is the same.
So if the 2 names you searched for in the indexes have the same GROS No. and age it should be the same person.
Hope you can understand my ramblings!
Jack