advice please!!.....

[maggie]

Hi can anyone advise me on the following
i have an Elizabeth Chalmers who married a Samuel Oliver in 1871
Elizabeths parents where a William Chalmers and a Janet who's maiden surname reads something along the lines of Fhlcher both deceased in 1871
I know Samuel died in 1885 i have his cert in the 1891 census Elizabeth is living with her children in Glasgow but has another child by the surname of Baxter a William Baxter is listed as the boarder in 1901 it's the same .her name is still given as Oliver .but on the daughters marriage cert in 1911 her name is given as Baxter and also on William Baxter's death cert it says he was married to Elizabeth Chalmers or Oliver.
yet i can't find a marriage for them ( i accept that it might not of ever taken place ) but no matter what surname i use Chalmers /Oliver/ Baxter plus alsorts of ways of Fhlcher/fletcher etc i cannot find a death certificate for her as this lady was my 2 times great grandmother any help pointers in the right direction would be really appreciated regards maggie

[DavidWW]

Hi can anyone advise me on the following
i have an Elizabeth Chalmers who married a Samuel Oliver in 1871
Elizabeths parents where a William Chalmers and a Janet who's maiden surname reads something along the lines of Fhlcher both deceased in 1871
I know Samuel died in 1885 i have his cert in the 1891 census Elizabeth is living with her children in Glasgow but has another child by the surname of Baxter a William Baxter is listed as the boarder in 1901 it's the same .her name is still given as Oliver .but on the daughters marriage cert in 1911 her name is given as Baxter and also on William Baxter's death cert it says he was married to Elizabeth Chalmers or Oliver.
yet i can't find a marriage for them ( i accept that it might not of ever taken place ) but no matter what surname i use Chalmers /Oliver/ Baxter plus alsorts of ways of Fhlcher/fletcher etc i cannot find a death certificate for her as this lady was my 2 times great grandmother any help pointers in the right direction would be really appreciated regards maggie

Maggie

The maiden surname is definitely FLETCHER.

You will note that the birth register entry for young Jeanie shows her as the illegitimate daughter of William BAXTER and Elisabeth CHALMERS Widow of Samuel OLIVER. It can only be assumed that even if they did subsequently marry irregularly, this was never officially registered.

As to Elisabeth's death, I can't see any match !

Davie

[maggie]

Hi Davie
thanks for taking the time out to reply it is appreciated i am assuming that she was alive in 1915 as on williams death cert and going by her daughters death cert was departed by 1946 it's a bit of a mystery as a lot of my tree appears to be but i have searched from 1901 to 55 on scots people and spent a small fortune in the process maybe's one day i will strike lucky thanks once again regards maggie

[nelmit]

Hi can anyone advise me on the following
i have an Elizabeth Chalmers who married a Samuel Oliver in 1871
Elizabeths parents where a William Chalmers and a Janet who's maiden surname reads something along the lines of Fhlcher both deceased in 1871
I know Samuel died in 1885 i have his cert in the 1891 census Elizabeth is living with her children in Glasgow but has another child by the surname of Baxter a William Baxter is listed as the boarder in 1901 it's the same .her name is still given as Oliver .but on the daughters marriage cert in 1911 her name is given as Baxter and also on William Baxter's death cert it says he was married to Elizabeth Chalmers or Oliver.
yet i can't find a marriage for them ( i accept that it might not of ever taken place ) but no matter what surname i use Chalmers /Oliver/ Baxter plus alsorts of ways of Fhlcher/fletcher etc i cannot find a death certificate for her as this lady was my 2 times great grandmother any help pointers in the right direction would be really appreciated regards maggie

Hello Maggie,

You say you have tried varients on her surnames but have you tried her given name.

I found my G grandmother after years of being stumped.
When one of her younger children married he gave her name as Bessie which is how her name was registered when she died. Of course I had always been looking for Elizabeth. She was also in a parish where I would never have thought of looking.

Regards,
Annette M

[DavidWW]

While I tried Lizzie, - she showed up that way in one of the censuses, - I didn't try variants such as Bessie.

Davie

[maggie]

HI Annette & Davie
thankyou for your message i did try Lizzie with the various surnames but hadn't considered Bessie i will give that a try she's got to be there somewhere surely ? anyhow just wanted to say your help really is appreciated a fresh look on things is a help i've got to the stage with this tree where i feel like i'm banging my head against the proverbial brick wall there's that many puzzling bit's to it i have learnt a moral though to ask for help there is kind people out there!!!

[DavidWW]

HI Annette & Davie
thankyou for your message i did try Lizzie with the various surnames but hadn't considered Bessie i will give that a try she's got to be there somewhere surely ? anyhow just wanted to say your help really is appreciated a fresh look on things is a help i've got to the stage with this tree where i feel like i'm banging my head against the proverbial brick wall there's that many puzzling bit's to it i have learnt a moral though to ask for help there is kind people out there!!!

Maggie

Just to make life that bit easier for you s I came across by accident earlier today the death record of a James GILLESPIE indexed as "Jane".

If she died in Scotland then it's 99.99% certain that the death was registered, but that doesn't mean that there wasn't some problem in the transcription of the record into the index, including being missed out from the index completely, or that, however unlikely it might be, that she didn't die in Scotland, - did any kids move down to England?, - it wasn't unusual for a parent to be living with a son or daughter.

Where the registration district is certain then there is a workaround, - the microfiches at NRH in Edinburgh include the alphabetical index page(s) at the end of the register, which can be checked.

That's the good news when the registration district is known, - the bad news here is knowing which of the many possible RDs in Glasgow could be involved

In other words, for a small rural RD it's not a great task to check the situation for a range of years, but for a range of city parishes it's a much bigger task.

Davie

[maggie]

Hi Davie
thanks for that information husband 1 died in the district of Anderston Glasgow.child 1 died young in the district of Anderston child2 again in Anderston child 3 in the district of Hillhead number4 in the district of Partick number4 in Partick and William Baxter also died in Partick .
Jeanie i am led to believe lived in the Anniesland district married name Curror but i have no date of death for her though she must have been alive in the late 50's as a 2nd cousin has a childhood memory of her.
so Davie nothing links me to England and the Irish connection dosen't come in until 1935 as far as i am aware.
i have tried "hits" for other areas like Argyll&Bute and Aryshire and Edinburgh as on the census it gives her place of birth as Leith but other than knowing her father was a bottle blower and mother was a Flether/fletcher i can't get the "branch " to "flower" anyhow thanks for your help it is appreciated

[DavidWW]

Hi Davie
thanks for that information husband 1 died in the district of Anderston Glasgow.child 1 died young in the district of Anderston child2 again in Anderston child 3 in the district of Hillhead number4 in the district of Partick number4 in Partick and William Baxter also died in Partick .
Jeanie i am led to believe lived in the Anniesland district married name Curror but i have no date of death for her though she must have been alive in the late 50's as a 2nd cousin has a childhood memory of her.
so Davie nothing links me to England and the Irish connection dosen't come in until 1935 as far as i am aware.
i have tried "hits" for other areas like Argyll&Bute and Aryshire and Edinburgh as on the census it gives her place of birth as Leith but other than knowing her father was a bottle blower and mother was a Flether/fletcher i can't get the "branch " to "flower" anyhow thanks for your help it is appreciated

Maggie

Another possibility to consider. By the 2nd and 3rd decade of the 1900s big general hospitals were beginning to be well developed, so that it could be that she died on the other side of Glasgow in, let's say, the Victoria Infirmary (which may not even be in a Glasgow RD, - it might be Eastwood or close by) or Stobhill, if she needed a particular treatment which those hospitals specialised in, so that the death would then be registered in the RD where the hospital was. The register entry would give her usual residence, but that doesn't help until you see the register entry.

Davie

[WilmaM]

Maggie

Another possibility to consider. By the 2nd and 3rd decade of the 1900s big general hospitals were beginning to be well developed, so that it could be that she died on the other side of Glasgow in, let's say, the Victoria Infirmary (which may not even be in a Glasgow RD, - it might be Eastwood or close by) or Stobhill, if she needed a particular treatment which those hospitals specialised in, so that the death would then be registered in the RD where the hospital was. The register entry would give her usual residence, but that doesn't help until you see the register entry.

Davie

"The Vicky"[ Victoria Infirmary] is in the Cathcart Reg. District of Glasgow The Royal Infirmary in Denniston and
the Children's Hospital [ Yorkhill] is in Kelvingrove

That's just 3 of mine in the 1940's that confused me a little when I was searching for their deaths.
The Mother died when her gallbladder was removed , the father of pneumonia 15 days later [ or a broken heart] and their little girl of TB 14 months later, each in a different quarter of the city.