Help deciphering my first Scottish Marriage, please?.....

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jemhay
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Help deciphering my first Scottish Marriage, please?.....

Post by jemhay » Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:56 am

Can you clever peeps please have a look and help me with this? It's the top marriage between Colin McKenzie and Ann Mckenzie. Does this mean her maiden name was also Mckenzie?

At the Prince Arthur Hotel, ????? according to the forms of the established ?????? Church of Scotland

Callanich in the parish of wig?

John McKenzie Farmer

Ann McKenzie

? S McKenzie
Deceased (does this mean mother of Colin is Deceased?)

Duncan McKenzie (and am I right with his occupation of "Crofter"?) Can anyone tell me what a Crofter is?

Her mothers name I am particularly stuck with - looks like "Ratery" to me? What is that underneath her mothers name? Look like ? S McRae

Signe Roderick Hauer?? Minister of Wig - Donald McInes? Witness, Murdo McKay? Witness

?? Dale??? ? J.N McKenzie? Registrar

Thanks in advance :)

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... p?pos=-741

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Post by AndrewP » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:08 am

The place should be Callanish in the district of Carloway, parish of Uig, Ross (Ross & Cromarty). This is an island parish in that county - on the Isle of Lewis. Callanish is best known for its standing stones, and is in crofting territory.

http://www.prehistoric.org.uk/lewis/callanish.html

It looks like the Established Church of Scotland, changed from Free Church of Scotland. The word before Established is probably the initials of the registrar (or his superintendant) approving the amendment.

Ann McKenzie, m.s. McKenzie - Maiden Surname. It says deceased under the mother's name, then yes it means just that - she was deceased at the time of her son's marriage.

I would agree with crofter for her father's occupation. As for her mother's name - ___ McKenzie, m.s.McRae. I am not sure of her first name.

All the best,

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Post by SarahND » Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:58 am

I read the mother's first name as Batesy-- creative spelling for Betsy? That is the only plausible name I can come up with :)
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Post by Jockbird » Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:57 am

Morning!

I agree with Sarah, the name looks like Batesy.

Hope you don't mind but I had a wee look on the IGI for Duncan McKenzies who married MacRaes, a couple of possibles came up and both were extracted entries.

Duncan McKenzie - Annabella MacRae

29/3/1848 - Lochcarron, R&C
20/4/1848 - Applecross, R&C


Duncan McKenzie - Isabella MacRae

2/6/1849 - Gairloch, R&C


They may be red herrings, if so, sorry :oops: My Geography for up there isn't too good but I believe they are all on the mainland.

Going by Ann's age at the marriage she should show up an 1851 census.

Good luck with the search.

Donna
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Post by pinkshoes » Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:43 am

Hi Jemhay

Looks to me like the minister was Roderick Fraser. I agree with other suggestions made.


Definition of a crofter : a tenant of a farm and cottage (croft) - taken from here (which might come in handy) :

http://www.scotroots.com/occupations.htm

Best wishes
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Post by emanday » Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:58 am

I think your first witness is Donald McIver, not McInes (which is usually spelt with two n's).

If you look elsewhere, i.e. the minister's surname, the final letter is "r" and it matches the last letter of McIver, but does not match that final "s" in witness :D maybe :?: . Other examples of the final s's and r's convince me, but I could be wrong
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deciphering

Post by laineywoo » Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:19 pm

Hi All
I def agree with Uig, and Callanish
The mothers name at first looked to me like Beatrice......could be a shortened version of this maybe? I also got Roderick Fraser as the minister
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Post by emanday » Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:26 pm

Mother's name couldn't be Betsy, could it? Used for both Elizabeth and Margaret :?
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Post by jemhay » Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:43 pm

Thanks everyone - what a great help you all are!

The mothers name is still confusing me - I count at least seven letters in it, and looking closely at Roderick, the first letter of mothers name definitely looks closest to an "R" - maybe a "B", and the second looks like an "a" to me.

Is there a list of old Scottish names anywhere that could help?

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Post by DavidWW » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:03 pm

I can well imagine "Betsy" being heard and recorded as "Batesy" :!:

David