David or Daniel - both child and father.....

[emanday]

I've just uploaded two certificates.

One is a 31 December 1857 BC for "David" Drummond showing his father as David Drummond, deceased. Mother Janet Drummond m.s. Lorimer.

The other is a 24 September 1857 DC for "Daniel" Drummond aged 15 months showing same father as deceased. Mother Janet Ramsay Drummond m.s. Lorimer. (This is the only time Janet has a middle name that I can find, even with her previous marriage and children by that marriage).

I thought these referred to two different children, but was a little doubtful about the transcribers reading of the first name on the DC. Further searches found no births of a Daniel to David and Janet, but the dates don't work out.

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I'm going mad Any one help, purrrrlease

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[Ina]

Hi Mary,

Looks like two different children. Daniel age 15 months died of smallpox on September 1857 and David was born three months later, in December 1857. Both the birth and death records give an address of Bow Street.

Have you looked for the death certificate of Daniel, the father? He must have died within 9 months of the birth of David.

Ina

[emanday]

Therein lies the problem, Ina. From the dates, it certainly appears that there two children. However, there is no sign of Daniel Junior's BC. There is also no sign of Daniel Senior's DC. If I could find them it would make life so much easier.

This Janet Lorimer's two families have caused me no end of problems. I have another query to post about this lot, but it is so complicated that it needs composing elsewhere before copying into a post.

Somewhere out there [-o< , as usual, there is a solution

[isobelc]

Hi Mary,

A Daniel Drummond died at 144 Saltmarket ,Glasgow on 8th April 1857. He was aged 45 and was a Joiner Journeyman. No parents names are given on the certificate and he was described as married, but no wife's name(I think some of the early certificates didn't give this info.). He died from British Cholera and the informant was an 'inmate' at the address where he died (some sort of institution?).

Could this possibly be your man?

Isobel

[emanday]

I finally did find that DC, Isobel. Should have updated this post, but there is some question about him being the right one.

While googling, I found someone who also has a Daniel, same occupation and would have been the same age. However, that Daniel was married to an Anne Comrie. My contact wasn't aware that Daniel might have remarried to my Janet Lorimer after Anne died as she'd not been able to trace him between Anne's death and his death, but Anne DID died before Janet Lorimer married Daniel, so it could be him.

We think it is the same person, but now I'm waiting for a reply from Land Services to see if they can provide any information about who paid for Daniel's burial at Sighthill Cemetery, or if they had a record of kin.

As far we on here have been able to glean, 144 Saltmarket was simply a tenement, so the term inmate could only mean another tenant. That person would be unlikely to know Daniel's family situation, although they did get the age right.

Anne Comrie's researcher thought the "Married" entry might have been a mistake, but agrees that Daniel could well have married again and that my Janet Lorimer WAS his 2nd wife.

I'm keeping my mind open on this one and hope that Anne's rellie might find out more as well.