Statutory Record indecipherable.....

Redge · Post by **Redge** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:22 am

Hello All,

I'm new to searching for Scotish Ancestors and didn't even realize I had any until recently. Anyways I located a marriage record from 1881 in the Statutory Records on ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk and purchased the online image. It is nearly indecipherable to me. If I purchase and "extract" will I have the same problem? Thanks for any replies.

Post by **AndrewP** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:09 am

Hi Redge,

Welcome to TalkingScot.

Two possibilities to suggest.

1) Post it in the TalkingScot Gallery and many people here will try and decipher it for you.

2) Send a contact form in to ScotlandsPeople saying the image is unreadable and GROS will send you a photocopy from the original book in New Register House.

It depends a lot whether your problem is the handwriting or that the image is faint.

All the best,

AndrewP

Redge · Post by **Redge** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:42 pm

Thanks for the tips Andrew. I think my problem is that the handwriting is difficult for me to read. It's probably more an issue with the way I'm trying to view the record (on a computer). I've tried playing around with the image in a graphics program, I tried to adjust the contrast and I tried turning it into a negative but I still cannot make out what it says. I've dealt with old records that are hard to read, but in those cases I've been able to look at the actual record and after some time been able to make it out, this one I'm just having no luck. I'll try and figure out how to post it in the gallery.

I'm from the US and only just discovered that I had Scottish ancestors. I have only been doing this for a short time and this record is the first record I have found in a foreign country, so I am just getting into "far away records". What I am looking at is a marriage record for my mother's great grandparents on her father's side. My great great grandfather came to the United States in about 1890 with his young family and had a few more children, but my great grandfather was born in Scotland. He had a very common name it appears so it has been difficult for me to find his birth record. I am looking for a John Miller Wilson born to Joseph and Christina Wilson about 1885 in Edinborough, Scotland (from his death certificate). I believe he is the second child and first son.

Anyways, I'll try and post in the gallery and see if anyone can help.

EDIT: ok, I managed to upload the image.

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... p?pos=-778

Russell · Post by **Russell** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:25 pm

Hi Redge

It helps if you are familiar with the names of streets but that is not the best of readable records is it?

What I was able to pick out was

1881
14 July
Abbotsford Place
Glasgow
After Banns according
To the forms of the Church
Of Scotland

Joseph Wilson age 21 27
Spiral spring maker ? Raith Street
journeyman Glasgow
(batchelor)

Christine Miller age 17 29 Hospital Street
French polisher Glasgow
(spinster)

Parents
Joseph Wilson
Iron-works furnace
Man(deceased) and
Sarah Wilson M.S.
Bryson (deceased)

James Miller
Spirit merchant Bottler
(deceased) and Christine
Miller. M.S. Gray
(deceased)

Robert Monteath
Minister of
Hutchesontown
Parish

John Erskine
Witness
Lizzie Reid
witness
The only bit I'm not sure about is young Joseph's street name. There are several Raith streets but it could be Keith Street but you would be able to locate him to confirm his address on the 1881 census.
Have fun with the next lot of Scottish records - You will be looking for marriage certificates/Birth certificates/death records for previous generations now!

Russell

Post by **Jean Jeanie** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:27 pm

Hi Redge

my effort is as follows:-

Date and place of marriage....1881 14 July 21 Abbotsford Place Glasgow.
After banns according to the forms of the Church of Scotland.

Joesph Wilson. ? Spring Maker. Journeyman. Batchelor aged 21. Address 27 ? Street Glasgow.

Christina Miller. French Polisher. Spinster aged 17. Address 29 Hospital Street Glasgow.

Joseph's parents:- Joseph Wilson. Iron Work Furnaceman.deceased
Sarah Wilson maiden name Bryan(t) deceased.

Christina's parents:- James Miller. Spirit Merchant Bottler. deceased
Christina Miller maiden name Gray. deceased

Signed Robert K Monteath minister of Hutchestown Parish .

Witnesses John Erskine and Lizzie Reid.

Perhaps someone else can make out the first word of Joseph's occupation and the name of the street and offer some other suggestions

Jean

sporran · Post by **sporran** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:29 pm

Hello Redge,

Joseph Wilson, iron works furnaceman, (deceased), and Sarah Wilson, m.s. Bryan, (deceased).
James Miller, spirit merchant bottler, (deceased), and Christina Miller, m.s. Gray (deceased).

The birth of John Miller Wilson in 1885 is easily found on the ScotlandsPeople site - only his name and the year are needed (it was near but not actually Edinburgh).

Regards,

John

PaulaD · Post by **PaulaD** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:36 pm

Hi Redge,
I read parents as follows
Joseph Wilson
Iron-work ? (deceased)
Sarah Wilson ms Bryson (deceased)
and
James Miller
Spirit merchant ? (deceased)
Christina Miller ms E? (deceased)
Hope this helps a bit!
Paula

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:13 pm

This looks like Joseph from the 1881 census.

Dwelling: 494 New City Road
Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203663 GRO Ref Volume 644-9 EnumDist 84 Page 17
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Adam HOLM M 29 M Hawick, Roxburgh, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: House Carpenter
Helen HOLM M 21 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Wife
John HOLM 9 m M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Joseph WILSON U 21 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Spiral Spring Grinder

and Christina..........

Dwelling: 29 Hospital St
Census Place: Govan, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203676 GRO Ref Volume 644-12 EnumDist 65 Page 6
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Margaret CAMERON U 41 F Ardersier, Inverness, Scotland
Rel: Head
Elizabeth CAMERON U 30 F Ardersier, Inverness, Scotland
Rel: Sis
Occ: Machinist
James CRICHTON U 41 M Moffat, Dumfries, Scotland
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Railway Porter
James HUTCHISON U 41 M Lieth, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Cork Cutter
Christina MILLAR U 18 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Lodger
Occ: French Polisher
Catherine HERON U 22 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Lodger
Occ: French Polisher
Mary MC CALLUM U 22 F Glasgow
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Book Folder

Kind regards,
Annette M

Redge · Post by **Redge** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:24 pm

Wow, you folks are very impressive and quick! Thank you all so much for your help. Now that I have an idea of what it may say it seems so much clearer. Based on the information that people have posted I found a possible birth record of Christina. Most of the information matches with the exception of her fathers name. On the birth record I found it says John, but even without all you kind people's help I could see on the marriage record that it looked like James. This is the birth record I found: http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... p?pos=-779

The profession for John on the birth record appears to be "Bottler" which would fit with the marriage record. The maiden name of the mother Christina Gray, also matches the marriage record. I'm not sure what to make of the father's differing name though.

Thanks again everyone for your help.

Redge · Post by **Redge** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:57 pm

sporran wrote:Hello Redge,

Joseph Wilson, iron works furnaceman, (deceased), and Sarah Wilson, m.s. Bryan, (deceased).
James Miller, spirit merchant bottler, (deceased), and Christina Miller, m.s. Gray (deceased).

The birth of John Miller Wilson in 1885 is easily found on the ScotlandsPeople site - only his name and the year are needed (it was near but not actually Edinburgh).

Regards,

John

Thanks John,

Were you able to find the birth? When I have looked I find multiple births in that year for John Wilson, sometimes as many as 20. I was trying to find a way of locating it without spending as much money as it would take to look at all the records I have found. Is Edinburough the same as Edinburgh?

Thanks,
Bob

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