Incorrect parents names AGAIN

momat · Post by **momat** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:59 am

Hi all,
Just thought I would put my dilemma on view.
I was trying to establish when William died.
Margaret Rae married William Montgomerie McBride October 1852 Gorbals.
A search for Margaret's death 1921 aged 88 came up with her Married to Ist William McBride, 2nd George Craigie.
Parents names are stated as THOMAS RAE & JANET PRYDE
Marriage for Margaret aged 42 to George Craigie 1877 Gorbals
States parents names for Margaret as JAMES RAE & JANE GRANT.
No way was I able to find a Brth for her with those names , but here's the good bit .
Using a combination of the names on S P I found her birth 1832
to THOMAS RAE & JEAN GRANT in Newbattle Midlothian.
Still can't find Williams Death, obviously between 1865 -1877.
Once again it is a case of not taking things at face value I

Post by **emanday** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:38 am

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momat · Post by **momat** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:03 am

HELP please my dilemma has just become TITANIC.
Still searching for Margaret Rae as stated on previous post.
IGI has her along with the stated Parents and 9 Siblings ,8 of whom are born in the Gorbals between 1825 -1844 apart from Margaret 1832 and Janet 1834 born in Newbattle Midlothian ?
Trying to establish something more concrete, I lifted 1841 Census for the Rae Family in Polmadie.This states Thomas aged 35 Coalminer with 6 Daughters ages 17 - 4 .this is fairly close to data I found, but here's the sting JEAN GRANT as she appears after all entries for Rae family supposed mother of all these 10 children is only 30 on census.
What's going on here.

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:36 am

momat wrote:HELP please my dilemma has just become TITANIC.
Still searching for Margaret Rae as stated on previous post.
IGI has her along with the stated Parents and 9 Siblings ,8 of whom are born in the Gorbals between 1825 -1844 apart from Margaret 1832 and Janet 1834 born in Newbattle Midlothian ?
Trying to establish something more concrete, I lifted 1841 Census for the Rae Family in Polmadie.This states Thomas aged 35 Coalminer with 6 Daughters ages 17 - 4 .this is fairly close to data I found, but here's the sting JEAN GRANT as she appears after all entries for Rae family supposed mother of all these 10 children is only 30 on census.
What's going on here.

Hi Maureen,

Remember the ages are rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census so she could have been anywhere between 30 - 34.

Kind regards,
Annette M

momat · Post by **momat** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:09 am

Yes that was a thought but why is she entered on the Census as Jean Grant when I have located a Marriage that seems to be correct for her and Thomas in 1824 in the Gorbals.

Why are 4 children born in the Gorbals , 2 children born in Newbattle and back to Glasgow to Birth 4 more.
Was there any Coal Mines in Newbattle area?Or Polmadie for that ?
I have tried to find a death for Jean Grant but there are too many and none come up with Rae attached.
Think I will have to try the 1851 and 61 Census and see what comes up.
Off to bed now will try tomorrow.
Cheers.

Post by **AndrewP** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:23 am

momat wrote:Was there any Coal Mines in Newbattle area?Or Polmadie for that ?

Hi Maureen,

Yes, Newbattle was in the Midlothian coalfield. There were many mines in that area. Hopefully, someone else can answer for Polmadie.

All the best,

AndrewP

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:31 pm

Hi Maureen,
To add to Andrew's reply on Newbattle; Polmadie was also a coal mining area.
--
From Fullarton's Gazetteer of Scotland 1842.
POLMADIE, a place in that small section of the parish of Govan
which belongs to Renfrewshire.
Here coal is extensively wrought.
--
A later edition abt 1872 has much the same description.
POLMADIE, a locality, where coal is extensively mined,
in the part of the parish of Govan belonging to Renfrewshire.
--
Jack

trish1 · Post by **trish1** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:32 pm

momat wrote:Yes that was a thought but why is she entered on the Census as Jean Grant when I have located a Marriage that seems to be correct for her and Thomas in 1824 in the Gorbals.

I have found married women on the Scottish Census listed under their maiden name. Caused me a little grief the first time - but now I find it quite handy

. I also find most of them are referenced by their maiden names on Wills - much more liberated than my English ancestors

Trish

Susan · Post by **Susan** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:31 pm

Hi Maureen

Here are a few bits of info for you to chew over.

William McBride - you will find DC on SP 1871, Carlton, Lanark.

Took a round about way to get there but got it in the end - also figured out where Pryde may come into it all.

Had a look at the 1841 census you mentioned - it showed an Elizabeth Anderson there b1767 - checked to see if this was a possible mother for Thomas Rae. There is a Thomas born 1803 to James Rae and Elizabeth Anderson in Polmont Stirling on IGIs.

Checked 1851 census on Ancestry, has Margaret still at home as a 19 year old with both parents still alive living at 5 McNeil St, Gorbals. Thomas place of birth now showing Falkirk - so makes Stirling birth above look possible.

Checked 1861 census on Ancestry - this shows Thomas Rae living with 2 of his children but no wife - at Cambusnethen, Lanark. So I guess Jean Grant died between 1851 and 1855.

1861 census has Margaret now with William McBride in Govan, this shows William born in Paisley in 1830/1.

Checked back to 1851 census for William McBride - he is with parents Archibald and Ann McBride. Looked on IGI for birth and found a William McBride born to Archibald McBride and Agnes Montgomery Paisley 1830.

Had a look again for a death of William McBride - 1871 Carlton, Lanark seemed best bet - and it was the one.

Also had a look for Thomas Rae on Ancestry census 1871 - indexed incorrectly as Rais - but is correct on SP. Shows Thomas living with daughter Mary now married to an Andrew Rae (also coal miner) - with family and a niece Margaret McBride. Looked for death of Thomas Rae and found it in 1878, Cambunethan. Parents shown as James Rae and Elizabeth Anderson - confirms guess made above.

Then had a look for Janet Prydes - just to try and satisfy curiosity !!!

Janet Pryde born 1840 Gorbals, to William PRYDE and Janet RAE - hmmmmmm well sounds promising - check for marriage and find them married at Newbattle Midlothian in July 1834 - same patterns of movement as Thomas Rae and Jean Grant. Check for other children of James Rae and Elizabeth Anderson - and there is a Janet born 1808. So I'd say perhaps whoever registered Margaret Rae's death gave the name of Margaret's aunt in error instead of her mother.

Anyhow Maureen hoepfully this is all of some use to you.

Susan.

momat · Post by **momat** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:58 am

Well you have all been a busy lot while I was

Thank you all for the data and to Susan for helping me sort out the puzzle of the name mix up.
This lot should keep me occupied over the weekend.
Thanks again everyone for the sterling work you do
Happy easter to you all.
Couldn't find an easter Emoticon .Maybe thats one for DavidWW's next competition ?

Cheers.