Callaghan and McGee intertwinings

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killearnan
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Callaghan and McGee intertwinings

Post by killearnan » Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:20 pm

So I've got another possible mystery I'm going to throw out in the hopes that fresh eyes will find something I've missed.

Background: I've got a fairly complete picture of Francis McGee and Helen Cassidy after their marriage at St. Mary's Catholic Church, Edinburgh, 1848. He's born in Ireland (Donegal or Fermanagh, depending on which record I believe) while she's the daughter of Michael Cassidy and Mary Goodman, baptized at the same church in 1832. I've got them in various later censuses and details on several of their children, including my great-grandfather Peter who was adopted out, after his mother died and his older sister married and moved to Dundee.

So here's the mystery:
In January 1855, Francis and Helen have a daughter named Helen, and Francis toddles off from Hastie's Close where they are living to comply with the new registration law.

What caught my eye: the next line, child born same day as Helen and registed the same day, with the same witness to their father's marks. It's a James Callaghan, son of Thomas Callaghan and Mary McGhie, also resident in Hastie's Close. Aha, I think..... Any chance Mary is related to Francis? If not, it is quite the coincidence. :shock:

James's entry says his parents were married in 1844 in Dundee. Thomas, age 30 in 1855, was born in Co. Cavan, Ireland, while Mary was 38 and born in Donegal. James is her 4th child, with the previous three all deceased.

When I was in Scotland a couple years ago, I founn their marriage record at the Catholic church in Dundee: 9 July 1844, witnessed by James Trainor and Mary Farrell.

Ancestry's 1851 census lists a Thomas 26 and Maria Kallican 25 at 89 Murraygate, Beattie Close, on the 1851 census, with a son Thomas aged 1 that might well be them. Hurrah for cenus searches that don't require a last name!

But I can't find them in the death records or later census returns. ](*,) I've tried lots of combinations of spellings/Soundex/wildcards with no luck. Looked through the US census and immigration records, just in case, on the off chance that they immigrated and I'd manage to find them amongst all the possible spellings.

And in my wilder moments :lol: :-$ , I wonder if James and Helen were actually twins, with Francis and Helen not able to handle them and letting his sister and her husband adopt one. And in the really wild moments, I figure maybe someday I'll track down a direct male descendant of James to compare his DNA to the test my dad had done as a present for me.

BJ
McGee (Donegal to Edinburgh), Jamieson/Guthrie (Leith), Keddie (Peebles, Galashiels), Little (Cavers, Traquair), Arthur (Galashiels) , Paterson (Edinburgh, with occ. spells in Stirling, Greenock, Leith), Ralston (Glasgow to Stirling), Greig (Elgin)

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Post by JustJean » Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:45 pm

Wow this one might not be provable unless you can find the disappering couple after 1855! So far I've had no luck!! Certainly no death easily found in Scotland for wee James or his mum.

The only comment I have on your theory of them possibly being twins :shock: ....well.....they would have had to have lied about the time of birth.....one came in the early AM and the other late PM same day. Unless the poor biological mother had the worst day of her life :cry:

I'm not convinced yet there is a connection. Especially with the marriage places of each couple being in different citites. But I've got no brilliant ideas yet on any way of being certain.

No help at all today......... :(

Best wishes
Jean

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McGee as McKee 1861?

Post by Jack » Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:46 pm

Hi BJ and Jean,
Guessing time yet again....
Could this be the McGEE family in 1861? (1851 just to compare).
Apart from the name being as McKEE,
have daurs Ellen 11 & Margaret 6 somehow got their names transposed?
And it should be Margaret who is 11, and Ellen as 6 ?
Similar occupation for father Francis.
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1851 census 685-1 Ed 3 p 6 (Lady Yester's)
231 Cowgate, Hasties Close.
Francis McGEE, head, 28, hawker costermonger, b Fermanagh, Ireland
Helen McGEE, wife, 20, hawker's wife, b Edinburgh, MLN
Margaret McGEE, daur, 1, ---------------b Edinburgh, MLN
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1861 census 685-3 Ed 28 p 2 (Canongate)
341 Cowgate, Scotts Land.
Francis McKEE, head, 37, fishmonger, b Ireland
Ellen McKEE, wife, 27, fishmonger, b Edinburgh, Edin.
Ellen McKEE, daur, 11, --------------b Edinburgh, Edin.
Margaret McKEE, daur, 6, ---------b Edinburgh, Edin.
Edward McKEE, son, 3, -----------b Edinburgh, Edin.
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But where are they from 1871 onwards?
Jack
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ps, but have i got it wrong? :?
It wasn't Francis & Helen you are looking for in 1861, but Thomas Callaghan & Mary McGhie?
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Re: McGee as McKee 1861?

Post by killearnan » Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:36 pm

Jack wrote:Hi BJ and Jean,
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But where are they from 1871 onwards?
Jack
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ps, but have i got it wrong? :?
It wasn't Francis & Helen you are looking for in 1861, but Thomas Callaghan & Mary McGhie?
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Yes, those are the McGee family I'm looking for.

Helen died in 1862. Francis didn't die until 1888, when his daughter Margaret (living in Dundee at the time; she was b. 1849 - I have the bp. record from St. Mary's) was the informant on the death cert.

I've found a couple possibilities for Francis on 1871 and 1881 but no one who is definitely him. For example, in 1881, there's a lodger listed at 65 Grassmarketas Frank with no last name, occ. fish hawker, 57 b. IRE, that I'm guessing is highly likely to be him.

Francis and Helen's son Peter (my great-grandfather) was born in Dec. 1861. He was adopted by James Jamieson and Margeret m.s. Guthrie of Leith when he was 6 or 7, so I'm guessing that happened when his older sister Margaret married in Feb 1868 and would have no longer been around to care for Peter.

I think it is likely that there is some connection, as there seems to be some movement between Dundee & Edinburgh for both these families - plus there's a surname that turns up in baptismal and marriage witnesses for both that is a bit less common - McPhilips.

Jean -- Yes, the twin thing is waaaaaay out there. But I'm sure you can see why I occured to me, despite the am/pm difference - one family with 3 babies who've died, the other with (possible) twins and little to no income.

BJ
McGee (Donegal to Edinburgh), Jamieson/Guthrie (Leith), Keddie (Peebles, Galashiels), Little (Cavers, Traquair), Arthur (Galashiels) , Paterson (Edinburgh, with occ. spells in Stirling, Greenock, Leith), Ralston (Glasgow to Stirling), Greig (Elgin)

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And one more missing bit.....

Post by killearnan » Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:45 pm

For Helen Cassidy, I have her parents' {Michael Cassidy and Mary Goodman} marriage in 1830 at St. Mary's RC church in Edinburgh, followed by the baptisms of Helen in 1832 and sister Jane in 1834.

And then nothing until Helen marries Francis McGee in 1848.

There are no further baptisms for the family at St. Mary's, and I didn't see any the one chance I had to skim the Dundee RC records. I'm guessing that one of a couple possibilitis happened:

a. they moved outside Scotland - maybe back to Ireland? And then back to Scotland with the famine in time for her to marry Francis in 1848.

b. one or both parents died, leaving 9 yo Helen to get skipped in the 1841 census. I've looked through many of the Helens born in the right time frame to see if Cassidy got completely mangled, or if there's a Helen with a last name that turns up in the various witnesses to family events.

So all speculation but fresh eyes do sometimes see something new. :D

BJ
McGee (Donegal to Edinburgh), Jamieson/Guthrie (Leith), Keddie (Peebles, Galashiels), Little (Cavers, Traquair), Arthur (Galashiels) , Paterson (Edinburgh, with occ. spells in Stirling, Greenock, Leith), Ralston (Glasgow to Stirling), Greig (Elgin)

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Post by killearnan » Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:20 am

I've made no progress on this family since I last posted, but I was at Ancestry just now, looking for Helen Cassidy b. 1832 once again, on the off chance the search function had changed just enough :lol: to toss her out.

Way down the list of possible matches, in with the Causedays and the Castays and the Chisties, I came across this nice entry on the 1841 census:

Name: Chief Officer Coast R
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Civil parish: Old Machar
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Preventive Service Don Statiors
Parish Number: 168B

I haven't looked at SP to see how he is actually listed on the census return but I figured it was good fodder for those collecting Ancestry's quirky entries.

BJ
McGee (Donegal to Edinburgh), Jamieson/Guthrie (Leith), Keddie (Peebles, Galashiels), Little (Cavers, Traquair), Arthur (Galashiels) , Paterson (Edinburgh, with occ. spells in Stirling, Greenock, Leith), Ralston (Glasgow to Stirling), Greig (Elgin)

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Post by LesleyB » Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:32 am

Hi BJ
Preventive Service Don Statiors
Looks like something concerning the mafia in Scotland! :lol:

Best wishes
Lesley