Talk about tangled webs!

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Talk about tangled webs!

Post by emanday » Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:06 pm

James Stewart married Anne Ireland in 1845

One son, John married Ann Robertson in 1872, daughter of John Robertson and Janet Lorimer (they were married c1847).

John Robertson died and Janet Lorimer married Daniel Drummond in 1855

One of their daughters, Jessie, married James Stewart and Anne Ireland's other son, William in 1875.

John Stewart and Ann Robertson had several children, one of whom, George, is my grandfather.

As I calculate it...

Janet Lorimer is George's grandmother - no question there.
William Stewart is his uncle - OK with that.
Jessie Drummond is his aunt by marriage - With me so far?

But Jessie Drummond is also George's grandmother's daughter from a second marriage as well, which should make her his half-aunt too!

I was thoroughly confused! A wee chart was called for here. Clarified everything!

Jessie Drummond is his half-aunt because his grandmother married twice.
Jessie Drummond is also his aunt by marriage.

What started all this? Witnesses at two marriages. On one "William Stewart and Jessie Drummond". At the second one "William Stewart and Jessie Drummond or Stewart". Well, you couldn't ignore that, could you? It had to be investigated and now I need a [5 cups] or several :shock:
[b]Mary[/b]
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Post by paddyscar » Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:29 pm

Good of you to figure it out, Mary. This 1947 song comes to mind :)

http://www.trurons.com/music/I_am_My_Ow ... video.html

Frances
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Post by emanday » Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:46 pm

Brilliant Frances :lol:

My only worry now is that I might find more of these kind of shenannigans as there are several siblings of all these generations whose marriages I've yet to find.

In fact, till I had sorted out the William Stewart and Jessie Drummond thing, I'd nearly decided he was either one of my "deid weans" even though I couldn't find a DC for him, or he'd gone off to pastures new.

When the connection clicked - well!

The Janet Lorimer who started all this confusion has been a thorn in my side since I started doing this. Obviously she was thinking I'd forgotten her and decided to chuck this conundrum at me!
[b]Mary[/b]
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Re: tangled web

Post by sporran » Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:32 pm

Hello all,


hold on to your hats!

My gg-grandfather James McCurdy changed his name in the USA to Curdy. Among his 8 children were sisters Margaret and Elizabeth. Margaret married James George Reese; Elizabeth married Charles Marble and had a daughter Ethel Florence Marble. Ethel married Bertrand Samuel Reese, the brother of James George Reese.

The relationship of Margaret to Bertrand was sister-in-law through his brother, and aunt through his wife. After the deaths of their respective spouses, Bertrand and Margaret married, aged 72 and 68.


Regards,

John
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Post by apanderson » Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:11 pm

I've got a wee modern day connundrum that will probably bamboozle family historians in the future.

My sister met our future step-brother when our dad re-married and yes, you guessed, ended up marrying him. So I have two options for introducing him - a step-brother or a brother in law!

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Post by SarahND » Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:23 pm

John,
:shock: :shock: Had to read that one 5 or 6 times and finally draw a wee tree with arrows going back and forth...

Anne,
My great grandfather also married his step-sister, over the loudly voiced objections of his step-father... He saved the letters sent back and forth and they make very interesting reading. Now, of course, the step-father of my great grandfather is also my gg grandfather, much though I would rather not acknowledge the man as any blood relative at all! (You have to see the bad-tempered look in his portraits and read his scathing prose to get the full effect)
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Sarah
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Post by emanday » Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:26 am

SarahND wrote:John,
:shock: :shock: Had to read that one 5 or 6 times and finally draw a wee tree with arrows going back and forth...
I had to use different coloured pens :lol: and it ended up looking like the London underground map :lol:
[b]Mary[/b]
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Post by paddyscar » Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:22 am

emanday wrote:
I had to use different coloured pens :lol: and it ended up looking like the London underground map :lol:
Nothing wrong with being a visual thinker, Mary. :lol:

Frances
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Post by joette » Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:15 pm

I used to get teased as my parents were step-siblings.My maternal Grandfather married my paternal Grandmother after they were both widowed.I vaguely remember the wedding & it was covered in the Sunday Mail with photos.
Granny was about 65 at the time & the family GP remarked"You made the Sunday Mail on your wedding,if you have a baby you'll make the News of the World".
I used to love teasing people by introducing my Mother as my Auntie.
Researching:SCOTT,Taylor,Young,VEITCH LINLEY,MIDLOTHIAN
WADDELL,ROSS,TORRANCE,GOVAN/DALMUIR/Clackmanannshire
CARR/LEITCH-Scotland,Ireland(County Donegal)
LINLEY/VEITCH-SASK.Canada
ALSO BROWN,MCKIMMIE,MCDOWALL,FRASER.
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Post by emanday » Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:19 pm

Frances,

I've probably gone through more coloured pens since I started doing this than I ever did before :shock:

However, having a "visual representation" (Coo! doesn't that sound posh :lol: ) can really simplify things.
[b]Mary[/b]
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