How do i go about finding my ancestor ?

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:16 pm

Rob,

What was Patrick's occupation, do you know?

Also, the parents of the Bridget Carr on the 1901 Census I posted above were both born in Ireland as was her brother Arthur. The other children were born in Cambuslang, but since Mary is older than Arthur and was born in Cambuslang, Mary (their mother) at least must have made one trip back to Ireland giving birth to Arthur there. This could account for the difference in speech that you were hearing.

Michael Carr the father was a steelworker. Michael Carr the nephew who was also born in Ireland was a coalminer at Hewee on the 1901 Census.

Carol

rob.mac · Post by **rob.mac** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:46 am

Hi Carol,
Thanks for this information.I didn't even think of the 1901 census for Bridget. Think it's amazing how others think of these ways to trace a link to another person, would never have thought of doing it this way.
Noticed the name of James McSorley on this census giving us a link to Susan McSorley, who was a witness on marriage certificate.
Patrick Slaven if i remember correctly was listed as a Brewery Worker on
his daughters marriage certificate, although deceased at this time.
Thanks again.

Rob.

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:52 pm

Hi Rob and everyone,

I just uploaded the birth cert. for Bridget Slaven parents Patrick Slaven, steelworker, Mary Slaven m.s. Kelly

Born Dec. 24, 1904 Cambuslang

Problem: I can't read the place of her parents marriage in Ireland and I'm not familiar enough with Ireland to guess! Would someone else have a try, please? The date is Jan. 8, 1901.

Rob, I searched SP births no forename, Slaven last name both sexes, dates between 1895 and 1929 in Cambuslang parish. Five names came up and I bought Bridget's because she had an aunt Bridget. You're on your own for the others. My credits are limited!

I'll have a look other places for more census information.

Carol

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 6:47 pm

speleobat2 wrote:Hi Rob and everyone,

I just uploaded the birth cert. for Bridget Slaven parents Patrick Slaven, steelworker, Mary Slaven m.s. Kelly

Born Dec. 24, 1904 Cambuslang

Problem: I can't read the place of her parents marriage in Ireland and I'm not familiar enough with Ireland to guess! Would someone else have a try, please? The date is Jan. 8, 1901.

Rob, I searched SP births no forename, Slaven last name both sexes, dates between 1895 and 1929 in Cambuslang parish. Five names came up and I bought Bridget's because she had an aunt Bridget. You're on your own for the others. My credits are limited!

I'll have a look other places for more census information.

Carol

Co. Fermanagh is the place of marriage - can't quite make out the town yet.

Regards,
Annette

Later .........................I think the town might be Tempo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempo,_County_Fermanagh

Regards,
Annette

capricorn · Post by **capricorn** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:01 pm

Hi Rob,

I replied to your thread on Genes. Patrick Slavin's wife according to their daughters birth cert. was mary Lynch and they were married 5th Jan 1899 Stranooden Ireland.

Just a thought, if you have Mary's maiden name as Kelly then that could be the wrong 1901 census you posted on GR, as address on birth cert. matches address on 1901 census

Regards
Capricorn

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:12 pm

Thanks Annette,

I'll defer to anyone on this!

Correction: The Bridget Carr from the 1901 Census that I posted earlier is incorrect. I think the only way Rob's father and his cousin Patrick could have an Aunt Bridget Carr is if Hannah's sister Bridget of the current birth cert. married a Carr. The McSorley on the 1901 census entry is probably just a red herring. There are many McSorleys and Carrs in this area! The Aunt Bridget's brother John would also be the John on Mary Slaven's death cert. and Hannah's brother as well.

If I've scrambled anything else, someone jump in and say so!

Carol

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:42 pm

Annette,

I think you're right about Tempo! Also, the address for the place of birth is Buchanen Building, Silverbanks, Cambuslang. Silverbanks St. was the brides address on Hannah's marriage cert. that Rob mentioned.

Carol

rob.mac · Post by **rob.mac** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:44 am

Hi Capricorn,
Yes you are right about the post put on Genes being incorrect.
On that particular census it has parents listed as Patrick & Mary Slaven.
They have 2 daughters.One at 1yr and another at 1 week. On trying to trace 1 daughter for the birth year it came up as different parents, and for the other as no matches.Hense the posting on Genes. At that time i thought it was still the same Patrick that i was looking for until both Carol & Annette came along with this information.
As i explained at beginning of this post "Do i give up or continue too go through further 5 matches only to find he is not on 1901 Census".
The information given by Carol & Annette seems too be more reliable due too the similarities in information given and in marriage certificate.
McSorley in both Census & wedding certificate. Although this proves nothing as both different people, same surname.The link too Carr is there though.
Patrick Slaven & my father both cousins and Bridget Carr being there Aunt. Again this proves nothing as the Bridget Slaven mentioned could be the Aunt. If so the link is there, but too which Carr family?
Names of Bridget's parents being a match too those i'm looking for.
Address given as place of birth for Bridget Slaven. Know where Silverbank Street is, would imagine Silverbank Building is on main Road, Now called Glasgow road. Walking distance of only a few minutes from each other.
The John in question..Carr or Slaven ? Either way he would be related only difference being how.
So no, i would not disregard any of the information given by both Carol and Annette, would and will go done the lines that both have given.
As i have said at beginning i only started doing my tree in December of last year and i am still learning.
Have had success in tracing my roots on my mothers side. Jamieson too 1776, Stevenson too 1775 & Courtney only too 1850.
It is only when i come too tracing my fathers side of the family that i am encountering problems. McAllister too 1819( stuck in Ireland), McKiernan too 1820c (stuck in Ireland) & Slaven ( probably going to be stuck in Ireland).
Have traced other lines of McAllister & McKiernan , but not all, as some seem to have disappeared after 1901 Census.
I thank you Annette for your imput on this matter and i especially would like to thank you Carol for your time and resourses that you have used.
You both have given me plenty to go on and once i find the link from Carr too Slaven i will post this for you too see.
Thanks again too both of you.

Rob.

rob.mac · Post by **rob.mac** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:36 am

Hi All,
Just an update.
Mary Slaven widow of Patrick Slaven (Steel worker).
Died 23rd September 1925 at 1h 15m PM at 3 George Gray Street,Rutherglen.
Female aged 47years.
No Father details given.
Mother : Mary Kelly (Farm Servant,deceased ).
Registered by her son John Slaven at Rutherglen.

Getting there but still a lot of blanks to fill in.
Thanks again.
Rob.

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:55 pm

Hi Rob,

Always glad to help. I really enjoy doing this kind of research. You're doing very well from the looks of your results considering you just started in December. I've been working on my family tree for over 2 years and still have empty spaces to fill!

You are in good company whenever you get stuck in Ireland! All of us with relatives from Ireland have the same problem, but more and more of the records are becoming available.

Keep us posted and don't hesitate to ask questions here. TS is an outstanding resource!

Carol