Where would people have married?

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Russell
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Re: Where would people have married?

Post by Russell » Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:37 am

Hi Carol

It wasn't unusual for the Banns to be called twice on the same day and they didn't have to 'called' in Church. Technically a notice pinned to the door would meet the literal requirements but a verbal proclamation was better in parishes where literacy was low.
I love the justice in Scots law which made the child legitimate as soon as the marriage took place unlike England where the child would be registered as a 'bastard' irrevocably.

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Falkyrn
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Re: Where would people have married?

Post by Falkyrn » Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:14 pm

Another thing to consider was the attitude of the Presbyterian Church to marriage often gave out mixed signals. The Church while encouraging formal marriage also attempted to distance itself from any involvement in the after ceremony celebrations.... The Church buildings were rarely used to perform the marriage ceremony until the 20th century, the most common places used were either the Brides home or the Ministers home (The Manse).
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Re: Where would people have married?

Post by Montrose Budie » Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:59 am

Russell wrote:Hi Carol

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I love the justice in Scots law which made the child legitimate as soon as the marriage took place .....snipped......
Russell
But only as long as the couple were free to marry at the time of the birth, - altho' a strict interpretation of the law was at the time of conception.

Any puir wain who didn't meet this qualification was defined as an adulterine bastard.

mb

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Re: Where would people have married?

Post by Archiver » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:23 am

Ha, thanks for all the answers! So it would seem that, like after statutory registration, people just got married wherever, either at home, in the manse (hadn't crossed my mind about unheated churches...) or someone else's home.

It was really just curiosity, because the OPRs don't really mention anything about place, other than the parish and I just wondered if anyone knew for definite where people married!

Thanks again!
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Re: Where would people have married?

Post by Montrose Budie » Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:28 pm

When making the entry in the parish register, the minister or session clerk wasn't bothered about where the marriage had taken place, only that the banns had been cried the necessary number of times, with there being no objection, and that the Established Church of Scotland minister, or a minister from another presbyterian church had performed the ceremony.

It can be a clue to another minister being involved if a name is given; which can be important in determining if one or both families belonged to a secession church. A check in the Fasti of the ECoS will show who was the ECoS minister at the time.

Many members of secession churches still arranged for marriages and births to be registered in the ECoS Old Parish Register, as these were seen as being more 'official' than the registers of the secession church.

mb

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Re: Where would people have married?

Post by bob(mc) » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:13 pm

My Mother was married at 21 Hope Street, Glasgow, on June 29, 1939 but, search as I may, that address seems to have been used for just about everything thro the years ](*,)
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nelmit
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Re: Where would people have married?

Post by nelmit » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:56 pm

bob(mc) wrote:My Mother was married at 21 Hope Street, Glasgow, on June 29, 1939 but, search as I may, that address seems to have been used for just about everything thro the years ](*,)
Hello Bob and welcome to Talking Scot,

Was the marriage 'By Declaration'?

I found this snippet about somebody marrying there in 1934.

http://discuss.glasgowguide.co.uk/lofiv ... 13846.html (scroll down to Steven Bickerstaff's post).

Regards,
Annette

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Re: Where would people have married?

Post by Currie » Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:41 am

Hello Annette,

I zoomed into Hope Street with Google Street View and remembered that I had been there before.
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=14586&start=0

We seem to have come to the same conclusion then. The business card certainly puts the clincher on things.

All the best,
Alan

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Re: Where would people have married?

Post by jennyblain » Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:30 pm

I just found two quite interesting 18th century marriages. James Renton and Katharine Fairlie were married irregularly in Edinburgh, and being called before the Gladsmuir Kirk Session (East Lothian) 'produced a certificate thereof dated Edinr Novr 6th 1765 and subscribed by one Peter Wilson.'

The record is in a section of the Gladsmuir OPR marriages that seems comprised of such entries. Peter Wilson's name crops up a few times, as do a couple of other people in Edinburgh, though the entries don't give further information on them or on where the marriages took place.

The other entry I've just found is of a 'clandestine marriage' and seems more complicated, and I'll post about that in another message.
Jenny
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Falkyrn
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Re: Where would people have married?

Post by Falkyrn » Sun Dec 25, 2011 11:22 pm

A "Clandestine Marriage" was a different kettle of fish to an irregular marriage and was a criminal offence with a hefty penalty for not only the couple involved but the minister/priest who officiated.
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