Pumphill in Carmunnock

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Thanks Hibeee. What an interesting idea and had not occurred to me! I will start investigating places in the Parish that fit the description. Just ahows how you can get locked in to one idea and ignore the obvious.

Sue

[Alan SHARP]

Greetings again Sue.

I can not find a mention, close to Carmunnock village, of that name on the maps I find so interesting, so decided to pick up on "Hibee" s suggestion and search as if it were the Parish of Carmunnock, but as ALL roads lead to GLASGOW which road to, is the question, to get a triangulation from. Perhaps Alan 'currie' may find a newsprint or directory link identifying the yard of Robert WHYTE, then I will again look over the maps I consult.

I don't know which family you are researching here. You have family connections to Cathkin with “Spring Hill” near by that may fit that description, and then further East there is the connection to High Blantyre, but that would have been in the Blantyre Parish. . North, N/E of Carmunnock Parish being the Parishes of Cambuslang and Rutherglen.

Like you my knowledge of this area is sketchy and acquired, so is open to interpretation.

Do you have an indication of the size/area of land in question ?

Alan SHARP.

[Alan SHARP]

PS Sue.

If you can locate the family on FreeCen check out the neighbouring households in the records, as then you will have more information to pin point locality.

Alan SHARP

[Alan SHARP]

Hi again Sue.

#1. I've sent you some close up map images [Privately] from the same nls maps service, as 'Hibee'. Then and now for Lanark, Carmunnock and Cathkin.
#2. The Spring Hill on one of my Parish Map photo copies, turns out to be marked Spring Hall on other maps I've consulted.
#3. I've found members of the family I think you are researching, on the 1841 census on Wellgate Street, Lanark, Lanarkshire. [FreCen]
#3. When you go to either end of the households [<<nextdoor>>] enumerated for the 30 odd in Wellgate Street, you find the High St Lanark etc. Confirming they were resident at that time in the heart of Lanark, and NOT in the neighbouring Parish where I assume the title is/was, that you are seeking to locate. N. N/W of Lanark Village.
#4. Therefore it is possible that you have to re-visit the asumption that family were occupying the inheritance at that time, in 1841.

Alan SHARP.

[Currie]

Hello Sue,

If there’s any doubt as to the wording of the Sasine maybe it would be worthwhile getting other opinions. Here’s the opportunity for you to be the very first user of the new TalkingScot Gallery.

There’s a detailed report on the parish of Carmunnock in the Old Statistical Account of the 1790s. It doesn’t mention anything about pumps, just a reference to some farms having clay soil that could be improved by draining, but maybe that only involved a bit of ditch digging. http://stataccsrv.edina.ac.uk/sas/sas.a ... pt=&twoup= [If that link doesn't work just go in as a non-subscriber and search for the parish]

On page 24 of the pdf file that Andrew previously posted there’s a reference to a 19th Century Robert Whyte, who lived in a house called Trestermyre. The 1750 title deeds describe it as ‘a piece of ground, bounded on the north by the churchyard and on the east by the commontown, on the west by Mill Lane and on the south by the old march’ etc. Maybe that’s where the 18th Century fellow was. There’s a very good village map at the end.

It’s not very easy finding anything useful in late 18th Century newspapers, however, here’s something completely irrelevant about the Carmunnock of the 1820s.

Caledonian Mercury, Thursday, October 18, 1821.
“On Friday the 12th curt., a game of quoits, for a considerable wager, took place at Busbie, between a party of farmers, belonging to that neighbourhood, and a party of tradesmen from Carmunnock; when, after a very keen contested game of sixty-two shots, the former gained by fifteen. The players then retired to the principal inn in the village, where they regaled themselves very plentifully with excellent whisky punch; after which, they again proposed taking the field to try who would throw a quoit, four lbs. weight, farthest. The moon by this time had climbed the highest hill in all Carmunnock; however, with her assistance, and the additional lustre of two lighted candles, they commenced. Various wonderful feats of strength, accompanied by art, were displayed at the throwing of the quoit—victory at last was declared in favour of a knight of the shuttle, belonging to the Carmunnock party, who sent it whistling through the air, thirty-six yards; being two yards farther than any of his competitors, a little to the discomfiture of the more robust sons of the plough, who with a little warmth declared, “It was unca daftlike to be beat by a weaver.” [I think that’s what it says.]

All the best,
Alan

[Alan SHARP]

Thanks's Alan, you can be relied upon to find some great snippets. I believe Sue is planning upon being off line for a few days. Alan SHARP.

[Alan SHARP]

Greetings All.

Sue has just emailed me a Pen & Ink Drawing of Pumphill Cottage as known in the early 1800's sasines, but was more recently known as The Beeches, Kirkland Estate, Carmunnock. It was demolished in the 1930's.

The drawing was by J. H. LEAT, a Carmonnock local, and dates from about 1900. The sort of drawing that looks good on a family history publication cover, WHENCE THEY CAME.

John SHARP & Agnes CAMPBELL had their 2nd daughter Klizabeth Kirkland SHARP 1826, and their 3rd daughter Agnes [1st] 1829 there, when John's occupation was listed as a Weaver. By 1834, when my lines Helen SHARP was born, he was recorded as a Labourer at Cathkin.

The drawing having been forwarded, by a local historian, whom Sue caught up with on her recent visit to Scotland.

Thanks all for your suggestions. I would post a copy to the Gallery, but I've used up my allocated space.

Alan SHARP.

[kennethm]

Not sure if this is article in the Glasgow Herald is useful or not:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=FA ... nock&hl=en

Best,

Kenneth

[Alan SHARP]

We meet again Kenneth.

For my money, any rambles through the countryside in, or near to, the period and places we are researching, is VERY interesting. We are indeed very fortunate there were literate people in the habit of enjoying such long walks, and writing about them in the popular press.

Thanks.

Alan SHARP.