Dolly, short for ............?

Post by **Anne H** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:23 pm

Here they are again in 1891...including a wee Arthur

1891
Name: Eliza Cooper
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Shiere, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Shere
Ecclesiastical parish: Shere
Town: Peaslake
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Guildford
Sub-registration district: Albury
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Cooper 24
Arthur Cooper 5
Eliza Cooper 42
Evelyn Cooper 2
Harry Cooper 11
Lilian Cooper 14
Norman Cooper 7
Thomas Cooper 49

Regards,
Anne H

Jake Drummond · Post by **Jake Drummond** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:24 pm

Goodness ladies, I'm overwhelmed!
I have the 1881 census return, Anne, and as Sarah says I'll need to chase up the sisters to see if I can find the son, Cliff or Athol, and take it from there to find some more modern links.
Ethel's mum is given as Rose, and her name was Eliza Rose Ladd, her mother was Ellen Arrow, two names not difficult to spot!

I think that Ethel and her husband, my grandad, returned to the area around Shere, as my mother, who lived there for a while, talked about towns and parks around there which she had visited as a girl.
Grandad could be buried in Leatherhead, as could Ethel, and the 450 mile journey south is all that is stopping me from making the trip to do a search on the ground.
Luckily, Kew is nearby, which might be a source of information at the records office where John Bain Gardner's war record will be kept, and his pension records I hope. They should shine a light on where he was when he was drawing his pension, thus a clue to where they all worked and lived.
I Hope!

Post by **Anne H** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:27 pm

Good luck in your search, Jake

Regards,
Anne H

Post by **SarahND** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:29 pm

Having looked at the lineup in 1891, I'm betting on Evelyn as Dolly. She was the baby of the family by a long stretch and the last girl after three intervening boys. Just the right set-up for a little "doll" of a baby sister...

Anne, you're much more enterprising than I am tonight

I just downloaded the images and stared at them, without bothering to type anything into the post

But then, I'm at least 6 hours later than you are here

Sarah

Jake Drummond · Post by **Jake Drummond** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:38 pm

Arthur and Evelyn are new additions ladies; much obliged. And I agree; our Dolly could well be the new baby Evelyn.

I have no access to the 1891 and 1901 census returns from here, and I wonder if the latter metions an more Wee Coopers?
A contact in the Shere Village website mentioned that Ethel came from a big family, other than that they had no more information but the lady very kindly got in touch saying that they would seek more news and get back in touch, but thus far all is quiet. I'll be sure to look them up when I manage to get down there, as she suggested.

Post by **Anne H** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:40 pm

aah! but I took the easy way out and copied

although I don't think I should be doing that

Enjoy your sleep, Sarah

I'm off to make my dinner

Anne

Post by **SarahND** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:43 pm

Jake Drummond wrote: I have no access to the 1891 and 1901 census returns from here, and I wonder if the latter metions an more Wee Coopers?

I'm still tearing my hair out trying to find them in 1901

Not sure how they are indexed... but it's nothing obvious! Except Ethel, as I said.
I'll keep looking-- they must be there somewhere!
Sarah

Later: got them! Indexed as being born in Shere, Devon

No, Eva is the last child, so no more to worry about!

Post by **Anne H** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:19 am

You beat me to it again, Sarah

As Sarah said...Evelyn has become Eva...

Name: Arthur Cooper
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Rose
Gender: Male
Where born: Shere, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Shere
Ecclesiastical parish: Shere St James
Town: Peaslake
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Guildford
Sub-registration district: Albury
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 134
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Cooper 15
Eva Cooper 12
Harry Cooper 21
Norman Cooper 16
Rose Cooper 53
Thomas Cooper 59

Regards,
Anne H

Post by **SarahND** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:25 am

Anne H wrote:You beat me to it again, Sarah

I thought you were off to make your dinner

I'm just doing this in my sleep

Post by **Anne H** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:08 am

Sarah wrote:

I thought you were off to make your dinner

I was...but couldn't resist having a quick look while I was waiting

Regards,
Anne H