Please help with search

David Lang · Post by **David Lang** » Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:08 pm

I have a Bryce Brown born in Rothesay around 1807 , i know its too later for the one listed above but i have seen the name in various brown families in and around Bute.

So would try there for a birth for him

Post by **SarahND** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:11 am

The list of siblings for William Dobson that Wilma posted above has brought us full circle back to Alexandrina's mother Livingstone.

William's sister Livingstone Dobson married James Blair on 10 Aug 1813 West or Old Parish, Greenock, Renfrew.

So William Dobson is Alexandrina's Uncle. That was refreshingly straightforward for a change!

All the best,
Sarah

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:23 am

William Dobson, a surgeon, crops up in the London Gazette. Nothing special, just promotion and retirement information. Search for William Dobson in phrase combined with surgeon in the box above. There appears to have been another William Dobson surgeon in entries prior to the ones below and perhaps the 1815 entry is his.
http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/Advanc ... ype=London

Gazettes
17014 published on the 20 May 1815. Page 4 of 24
19720 published on the 29 March 1839. Page 2 of 28
21119 published on the 19 July 1850. Page 4 of 34
21376 published on the 5 November 1852. Page 6 of 44

Alan

Dugie4 · Post by **Dugie4** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:51 pm

Can I ask for a bit more help please?

I've found out quite a lot about Dugald Blair Brown and now I'm trying to find out about an English girl who he had a relationship with.

I'm finding the English system a lot more difficult - I mean to find birth certificates, marriage certificates etc.

The lady I'm looking for is the mother of Bertha Phillips who married Charles Joseph Whitehead some time around 1895 to 1900, probably in Greater London somewhere.

If I could get a copy of that marriage certificate it should tell me who Bertha Phillips's mother was.

Can someone tell me where I can find that please? I've tried the IGE and ancestry.com with no success.

Post by **SarahND** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:08 pm

Hi Dugie,
Sorry to say, but English certificates are not only harder to get ahold of than Scottish ones, they also give less information. FreeBMD on Ancestry gives the following marriage:

Charles Joseph Whitehead married Bertha Phillips in Hackney, Greater London, Middlesex in 3rd Quarter 1899. Vol: 1b, Page: 983

You would need to order the certificate and have it sent by mail-- no online viewing is possible.. BUT, in England only the father's name is given on the marriage cert

Sorry!

All the best,
Sarah

Post by **SarahND** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:35 pm

Hi again,
There's another way...We can go backwards with Bertha and try to find her mother. Did Charles and Bertha have a daughter named Muriel, born about 1900? If so, then from the 1901 census it looks like Bertha was born in Gloucestershire in abt 1879.
So... she is probably the one in Hackney, Greater London, in the 1891 census, living with her parents, William and Louise, and a number of younger siblings. Now, it is Louise you are interested in, correct (assuming she is Bertha's mother)? She was born in Dunblain (not that , but it looks like that), Gloucestershire, in abt. 1857 (Ancestry has her age wrong... it is 34, not 54). In 1881, Bertha is a visitor in a household without her parents... hmmm.

Bertha's birth cert should have her mother's info though...
Looks like she was born in 1st quarter 1879 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire. Volume: 6a, Page: 336

Good luck!
Sarah

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:43 pm

Hi Dugie,

If Sarah's idea doesn't match your information, then get the marriage certificate. It will tell you Bertha's father's name and hopefully her age, then someone of us can check the 1891 Census and see if we can find her at home with her father and mother.

Carol

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:45 pm

If I have the right one in 1901 then Bertha was born at Gloucester in March 1879. She is living with father William and mother Louis(e)(although I'm not 100% convinced she is her mother) in 1891 at Hackney.

This could be her in 1881 -
John GREENAL Head W Male 47 Dumbleton, Gloucester, England General Labourer
Alice GREENAL Daur U Female 24 Dumbleton, Gloucester, England
Albert GREENAL Son U Male 17 Dumbleton, Gloucester, England Farm Labourer
Constance GREENAL Daur Female 14 Dumbleton, Gloucester, England Scholar
Lettitia GREENAL Daur Female 11 Dumbleton, Gloucester, England Scholar
Bertha PHILLIPS Visitor Female 2 Gloucester, England

Regards,
Annette

Later - I'm so slow at posting!!

Post by **SarahND** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:51 pm

Annette, looks like we were looking at the same records! Only you took the time to transcribe and I just paraphrased

Cheers,
Sarah

P.S. I'm not totally convinced that Louise is the mother either-- don't we have suspicious minds?!

Dugie4 · Post by **Dugie4** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:51 pm

SarahND wrote:Hi again,
There's another way...We can go backwards with Bertha and try to find her mother. Did Charles and Bertha have a daughter named Muriel, born about 1900? If so, then from the 1901 census it looks like Bertha was born in Gloucestershire in abt 1879.
So... she is probably the one in Hackney, Greater London, in the 1891 census, living with her parents, William and Louise, and a number of younger siblings. Now, it is Louise you are interested in, correct (assuming she is Bertha's mother)? She was born in Dunblain (not that , but it looks like that), Gloucestershire, in abt. 1837. In 1881, Bertha is a visitor in a household without her parents... hmmm.

Bertha's birth cert should have her mother's info though...
Looks like she was born in 1st quarter 1879 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire. Volume: 6a, Page: 336

Good luck!
Sarah

Hi Sarah

You are on the ball here - that's the right Bertha.

The point is, Bertha was the illegitimate daughter of Louisa and Dugald Blair Brown and Louisa married William Phillips while she was pregnant and he didn't know anything about it. He was quoted as saying that he 'bought a pig in a poke'.

How can I get a copy of the census pages that you found, how can I get a copy of Louisa's birth details (ie her parents)?

Can you identify Louisa's maiden name from what you have found?