Suicide In The Family

[david macdiarmid]

Hi Lesley,are you familiar with the name Plenderleith ? David

[LesleyB]

Hi David
I know of it as a surname - not related to any I know of though.

On SP:
Statutory Register Births for Plenderleith 1855 - 2009, 1230 matches
Statutory Register Deaths 1855 - 2009, 1175 matches

Best wishes
Lelsey

[jokdy]

Hi Jo,Wow!I am so happy that you can share this much information.I was told by one of Helen's Brothers that Mary was American,but i could find no link to this at all.I have her death in Buckhaven in **** ,so i automatically assumed she moved from mining community to mining community.Though when you read John Fowler's (Nobel Prize Winner) account he say's that the family came from Slamanan and emigrated to Pittsburgh to work in the mines.I shall never automatically assume anything again.It is Grand to know that this Fowler name is alive and kicking throughout the World.Two of Helen,s Brothers have Fowler as a middle name,and Mary and Hugh's family have Fowler as a middle name for seven of their children,i have never ever,come across that,.I said i would try and fill in the gaps for you but it is you Jo,that is filling the gaps for me.I do not have Peter pre 1881 but i do have some info from,i think Ancestry,looks like our family,coming from Barne,in Ireland then moving to Blantyre,but i have so many holes in this part of the story,They just so look like our Kelly line ,but the names are very common.At Hugh and Mary's wedding do you know who the witnesses are,Sarah and Peter Kelly?1868 Robina Watson's Mum's Maiden name,I have Piendmleith,never heard that name before,do you think it's right?I would love all the information you have on Mary Fowler,that would be great,possibly best on a PM though,Why was she also called Reilly? In fact anything at all you can share Jo would be greatly appreciated,Many Regards,David =D>

Hi David

I didn't discover Mary was born in America until I found her on the 1901 census. Her father Alexander, went across in 1888, and year later her mother Robina went across with Mary's older brother and sister. They didn't stay long...they are all on the 1901 census living in Bo'ness.

I've come across the info on Ancestry about Peter and seen Barne was mentioned as birthplace. I looked at the census this was taken from but I'm doubtful if it's our Peter Kelly.

The witnesses at Hugh & Mary's wedding were Hugh's brother and sister-in-law + Peter Kelly and Sarah Quinn. They married in 1903.

I must admit when I found out Robina's mother's maiden name was Plenderleith...I hadn't heard of it before either

I haven't ordered a copy of Mary's death extract yet, but perhaps she re-married after Hugh's death? He died in 1957 and she died 1971 so there was time, despite her being about 67 when he died. Can't find a marriage though... You know I hadn't noticed that, because I only used the search engine on SP to confirm the year of death, I hadn't went further to check the details...I'll have to order it now...the curiosity has got the better of me It can't be another middle name otherwise it would appear in the other column.

Happy to send you more details about Mary's family. Three of her uncles emigrated to USA and set up home in Pennsylvania. Took me sometime but eventually found the death of her father, his military records made for interesting reading, he didn't have much luck...poor thing.

Will PM further details.

Jo

[david macdiarmid]

Hi Lesley, You would think i would be picking things up by now,never seen so many Fowler's as middle names in one family and never heard the name Plenderleith,do you know where this name originates,Lesley,is it a Scottish name for example?Regards David

[LesleyB]

Hi David

Blacks "Surnames of Scotland", which I have to hand(!) states it is "from the old manor of the same name in the parish of Oxnam,, Roxburghshire"

Best wishes
Lesley

[Muriel]

I've got Plenderleiths in Irvine, Ayrshire (although father may have originally come from Edinburgh) - they were shoemakers. Also got some in Lanarkshire.

Muriel

[jokdy]

Hi Muriel

The Plenderleiths we have, come from the Liberton area of Midlothian, but some of them did move to Edinburgh...so the father from Edinburgh you speak of might be connected to them. What was his name and year of birth?

Jo

[Muriel]

Hi Jo,

in the 1841 census there is a William Plenderleith in Irvine, b. abt 1776 outside the county. He married Mary Leitch in Ayr on 24 Nov 1798. Two of his children were Christianna (usually known as Christina) & Crawford. This made me wonder if William was the one who was baptised on 26 Feb 1772 in St. Cuthbert's, Edinburgh, son of Alexander Plenderleith & Christian Lisle/Lyle. They also had a son named Crawford. However, William died before the 1851 census & I can find no burial record or MI for him so I think it's unlikely I'll ever be able to prove his parentage - unless you have information about the Edinburgh William!

Regards, Muriel

[jokdy]

Hi Muriel

I'm not able to help...

I've checked my tree and while some of the Plenderleiths did settle in St Cuthberts, it was quite a bit after 1772. There's probably a good chance they are all related and it certainly makes sense your William could be the son of Alexander and Christian, and brother of Crawford, but as you say you have no way of proving otherwise. If I stumble across anything in my travels, I'll be sure to get in touch. I do see there's someone on Ancestry which has him down as son to Alexander and Christian, married to Mary Leitch, but there's no attached media or sources sited to back up the claim.

Jo

[Muriel]

Hi Jo

Yes, there are a number of tree on Ancestry which have made the assumption that William is the son of Alexander & Christian. I'm not prepared to do so unless I get proper proof. Thanks for the offer of letting me know if you find anything of help

Regards, Muriel