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Post by hg » Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:15 am

Hi,

This is a message for Alan (currie).

Hope you don't mind me asking but you seem very good at finding newspaper articles and I wondered if you might be able help locate something for me.

It's Anna Belli again. There is a family story that she escaped from Russia at he time of the revolution and came to live in London. Do you think there may be any articles about this in any of the London newspapers?

I have had a look but found nothing, thought a fresh pair of eyes might help.

Any other ideas gratefully received.

many thanks

Helen ](*,)
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Post by Currie » Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:04 am

Sorry Helen, but I couldn’t find anything specific to Anna Belli,

You would have to ask how a nurse in a children’s hospital in London would obtain a governess job at the highest level in Tsarist Russia. I saw a couple of advertisements in the London Times around about then, one asking for and the other offering a Governess job in Russia, but in both cases there appeared to be an employment agency involved. Perhaps she put her name down at an agency, was interviewed and found suitable. Maybe she was recommended by someone with contacts to the Evelina Hospital and to Russian aristocracy.

If the Russian royal family employed an “English” Governess there is absolutely no doubt that it would be a case of “monkey see, monkey do” and every Tom Dick and Ivan who could afford it would want the same. Probably why there was a warning to English Governesses in Russia in the London Times on 1st June, 1914. I would guess there would be a great many English Governesses in Russia in 1917 working for the much privileged classes who had to leave for their own safety.

Few would have ever made the newspapers. Here’s a couple in the London Times
14 April 1919 - Minnie Petch an English Governess employed by baroness Rosen rescued by Cossacks.

13 Sep 1974 - Review of a book by Rosamond E Dawe “Looking back; a Memoir of an English Governess in Russia 1914-17” (governess in the homes of aristocratic Russian families).

I couldn’t find anything in the Times for the Margaret Eagar/Eager Heather mentioned in the other post. Even if you make the top of the Governess tree doesn’t mean you make the newspapers. She seems to have had a similar sort of employment background to your Anna. It would be interesting to know how she got her job in Russia in 1898. Had she not written the book and had there not been surviving correspondence she too would possibly have remained a relative unknown. http://www.alexanderpalace.org/eagar/eagar.html

One thing you can be sure of is that if one petty noble or military person or wealthy individual somewhere in Russia could afford an English governess the Tsar could easily afford more, perhaps carrying out different duties including nursing but who could all be loosely describes elsewhere as governesses. I don’t know whose description it is but see the anonymous “another nanny” in the photo on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaretta_Eagar

Alan

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Post by hg » Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:19 pm

Never mind Alan. Thank you very much for having a look for me.

I have had a look at the Alexander Palace Time Machine and posted my question on there. I have also ordered 'When Miss Emmie was in Russia'.

Just another thought, wouldn't there be some records somewhere regarding Anna's passage to and from Russia?

I think I am probably clutching a straws but, I don't want to leave any stone unturned. :-k

all the best

Helen
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Post by Currie » Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:48 pm

Back again Helen with a few crumbs,

There’s a bit about Governesses here
http://www.enotes.com/nineteenth-centur ... literature

There’s an article in the London Times, May 08, 1916 regarding the Governesses Benevolent Institution “about 2000 ladies were assisted during the year and that those who had suffered most severely were English Governesses teaching on the Continent”. Maybe they were also involved during the later difficulties in Russia.

The Governesses Benevolent Institution records appear to be here but it’s probably a long shot
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/ ... 4459&cid=0

I haven’t really read this 1904 New York Times article but you may find it interesting. In the second column there’s reference to one Governess and Nurse per child.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.h ... 946597D6CF

I don’t know about the travel to Russia situation. A ferry ride across the Channel and a train ride to Russia maybe. I guess such a trip wasn’t available after 1914. As far as crossing International borders prior to then is concerned it looks like passports were optional before 1914. http://www.findmypast.com/helpadvice/kn ... p#passport

Hope this helps,
Alan

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Post by hg » Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:04 am

Know luck with the Governesses Benevolent Institution link Alan.

I still think if Anna went to Russia there must be some record somewhere of her travel there.

I have had a couple of responses from the Alexander Palace Time Machine. One which suggests writing to the Alexander Palace to see if there are any records held there.

I am going to give this a go.

Her dod is still a mystery. :roll:

regards

Helen
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Post by Currie » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:37 am

Good luck Helen,

It’s about time you had a bit of luck with the Belli’s.

All the best,
Alan