McDonald/McKenzie

[rsmacleod]

Looking for further information on MALCOLM MCDONALD born c. 1795, House Carpenter who married as a Widower in Lewiston, Glen Urquhart , Inverness-shire, Scotland to MARY MCKENZIE, of Ferrintosh, Killearnan Parish, Ross-shire, b. 1799, Urquhart.
I have two of their children : MURDOCH b. 1820, Glen Urquhart, and WILLIAM HUGHIN MCDONALD b. 3 June, 1826 Petty, Urquhart, Ross-shire. Maybe also 2 more children: Margaret b. 1823 Urquhart, and Elizabeth b. 1831 Tore of Culbokie, but these two not confirmed.
Have quite a bit of info. on later descendants but no more on these original ones. Is there anyone who can help? Ruth MacLeod in Australia

[WilmaM]

Did he marry Mary McKenzie in 1820?

MALCOM MACDONALD
Spouse: MARY MACKENZIE
Marriage: 01 JAN 1820 Urquhart, Inverness, Scotland
Extracted marriage record

the only child the IGI [on familysearch] is throwing up is:

MURDOCH MC DONALD
Birth: 23 JAN 1821
Christening: 25 JAN 1821 Urquhart, Inverness, Scotland
Father: MALCOLM MC DONALD
Mother: MARY MC KENZIE
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.

Do you know what his 1st wife's name was?

I can't see any 1841 census entry, on FreeCen, that strikes me as being the family but Murdoch may have left home by then or Malcolm could have died.

[rsmacleod]

Thanks. That is unfortunately the only information I have - there are of course many Malcolm McDonalds and Mary McKenzies, in the Glenurquhart area, but the problem is, which is the right one?
Murdoch died in 1874 and his father is shown as deceased on Murdoch's D.C. but I cannot find any more details. William Hughin McDonald is definitely a son also but haven't found any more - even on extensive use of Scotland's People. A distant cousin in Canada is also chasing this up, as he is directly linked to McDonalds but without any success, either. Ruth

[LesleyB]

Hi Ruth
..and welcome to Talking Scot.

MALCOLM MCDONALD born c. 1795, House Carpenter who married as a Widower in Lewiston

Where did you find the informaton that he was a widower when he married Mary? Was it menioned in the OPR?

Best wishes
Lesley

[WilmaM]

A few of the years you are quoting are slightly at odds with the extracted OPR records on the IGI
[I'm not talking about the many, many submitted entries] so I'd be inclinded to give yourself a bit of leeway as regards years and ages.

Why are you so certain that William Hughin McDonald is of the same family? the OPR doesn't give his mother's Christian name.
I'm just wondering what information you actually have and what is it's source?

Tracking the family down on a census could be worthwhile as it would give places of birth, and possibly some other family members too.

[rsmacleod]

Have marriage Certificate for:
'Jan.1 1820 Malcom Macdonald widower in Lewistown and Mary McKenzie from Parish of Ferrintosh, after two (?) proclamations was married this day by the Rev. ? D. Smith'
Birth Certificate for Murdoch McDonald:
25/02/1821 OPR Births 10. Urquhart and Glenmoriston.
'Jan.23 Macdonald Murdoch born son to Malcolm McDonald Wright, Lewiston by Mary McKenzie his wife."
IGI record shows Malcolm McDonald b. 1795 Urquhart,Inverness-shire, and marriage 1820 Urquhart. Wife Mary McKenzie b. 1799 Urquhart, Inverness-shire.
Death certificate of 'Murdo McDonald, House Carpenter (married to Christian Urquhart). 15 November, 1874 1a.m. Cullicudden, Resolis, Ross County. age 53 yrs.
Parents: Malcolm McDonald House Carpenter, (deceased) Mary McDonald M.S.McKenzie. Witnessed by William McDonald, son, present.
Son William also witness at death of his mother Christina McDonald (nee Urquhart) on 6 November, 1885 at Cullicudden, Resolis.
Birth Cert. June 3, 1826 Macdonald, William Hughin, son to Malcolm McDonald, Wright Lewiston by ........... (no Christian name given) McKenzie his wife.
No knowledge of original Malcom (Malcolm)'s first wife.
In 1871 Census, Murdoch McDonald 51 yrs. and wife Christina Urquhart (48 yrs) with 4 children, and Murdo McKenzie, Uncle, widower, 78 yrs. Annuitant, b. Ferrintosh....obviously brother of original Mary McKenzie.

[bigmac1x]

I guess I'll jump in here. I'm the Cousin in Canada Ruth mentioned earlier. I've worked the McDonalds backwards from present day trying to confirm each generation through several sources/documents to be sure of each one. It is through all the kids birth, marriage and death records that we know Malcom (Malcolm) McDonald and Mary McKenzie are right. The only marriage record that matches these two is the one from Lewiston.
The marriage record says they are from Lewiston and Ferintosh respectively which to me only indicates thats where they were living there when married - not necessarily born there. Their marriage record of 1820 says Malcom was a Widower (but we don't know who #1 is).
Murdo b.1821 is a Son for sure (birth record states Malcom and Mary McKenzie) and we can trace him through each and every one of the cenuses. Moved to the Black Isle, married Christian/Christina/Christy Urquhart and had 7 kids.
William Hughin b.1825 we're not as certain. He was born in the same place with the same Parents names EXCEPT there is a blank where Mary's first name should be. (Maybe Malcolm was out celebrating the night before he registered the birth and forgot his wife's name?)
William Hughin is also someone I have not been able to track down in the 1841 and future censuses either.
While I have found several Malcolm and/or Marys in 1841 I can't confirm which is right as there are no kids at home in 1841.
So any help or suggestions are welcome as Ruth and I have been at this for quite a long time now with no success.

[WilmaM]

Between you you have covered your ground pretty well, some times the answer simply aren't out there

A couple of things you may or may not have known or tried:

The Ferrintosh mentioned is also known as Culbokie, and I've a sneaky feeling that area has been included in both Invernessshire and Ross & Cromarty so make sure you check under both. [The area I live in has THREE historic parishes to check!]

Have you managed to match a set of parents for Mary and the brother in the 1871 census?

Have you traced him through the years and censuses? you never know what little snippet he could be hiding.

I do hope somebody has a brainwave and can help you further.

[nelmit]

This Malcolm might be worth investigating.

Piece: SCT1841/107 Place: Urquhart&Glenmoristn-Inverness-shire Enumeration District: 7
Civil Parish: Urquhart&glenmoristn Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 7 Page: 8
Address: East Lewistown

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MCDOND Malcolm M 74 Carpenter Inverness-shire
MCDOND Mary F 55 Inverness-shire
KENNEDY John M 14 Inverness-shire
ROSS Alex M 55 Inverness-shire

Regards,
Annette

[AndrewP]

The Ferrintosh mentioned is also known as Culbokie, and I've a sneaky feeling that area has been included in both Invernessshire and Ross & Cromarty so make sure you check under both. [The area I live in has THREE historic parishes to check!]

Just to confuse matters further, Ferrintosh was in a detached part of Nairnshire within Urquhart & Logie Wester parish. The rest of the parish was within Ross & Cromarty. However most documentation regards it as being wholly within Ross & Cromarty. The detached part of Nairnshire was transferred into Ross & Cromarty in 1891-1892 as a result of the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1889. That act tidied up a lot of detached pieces of counties and parishes, as well as parishes which straddled county boundaries.

All the best,

AndrewP