Aflecks in Scotland

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JeanGris
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Aflecks in Scotland

Post by JeanGris » Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:13 pm

Hello Everyone
I am a newbie on here. I also hope that I have posted on the right board! :o
I have traced my husband's Affleck family back to an Andrew Affleck who was bn c1760 - he was at this time in Durham as his four children were born there. I have a fiche reader at home, and have looked up parish records on fiche for where he was living and also surrounding areas, but I cannot find this Andrew's birth or marriage in Durham/Northumberland. I am thinking that this Andrew Affleck was born in Scotland and the first Affleck to cross the border into Durham.
A bit of background information: Andrew Affleck bn c1760 was married to an Ann, and they lived in Chester le Street. Durham district. I think Andrew was a coal miner as all his children were born in coal mining villages, and they were all miners.
Andrew and Ann's children were:
Andrew bn 1768, Lamesley, Chester le Street (I have his death cert in 1841 he died of consupmtion at the age of 55 as a lot of Pitmen did). Next child James who was bn 1788, Fatfield, North Biddick, Chester le Street, (North biddick a coal mining village);
John who was bn 1790, Fatfield, Chester le Street and who was buried 24 Feb 1798 - son of Andrew and Ann and
William bn 1793 and who died 1873 Chester le Street.
I have the baptisms of these children. And those children of Andrew that I have been able to trace in the censuses from 1841 onwards are under various spellings, Auflick, Affleck, Afflick etc (some mis-spelt on Ancestry index).
As I could not find our Andrew who was bn c1760 who was married to Ann in any parish records in Durham nor Northumberland ( I have sent for parish records further back - before 1760 just to double check,) but have checked IGI (Hugh Wallis site) - and also I have not found a death for Andrew in Durham so hope I can find it on parish registers on fiche as I have not been able to find his death as yet in Durham/Northumberland - which would help enormously as it would give his age), I was assuming that Andrew could have been the first Affleck who travelled down from Scotland - for whatever reason.
I did visit ScotlandsPeople and found two Andrew Afflecks who were born around this period -
Andrew Affleck who was bap 22.7.1760 father John Affleck, mother Helen Young, Hownam, Roxburgh (I think this Andrew was probably part of the Kirk Yetholm family - gypsies and name previously "Fleckie"
and
Andrew Affleck bn 7.1.1762 and bap 17.1.1762, Edinburgh, father Andrew Affleck a Castle Soldier in New Gray Friars parish and Isobel Neilson his spouse a son named Andrew, witnesses Joseph Heye a wigmaker and James Thomas, Porter, both of the above parish the child was born on the 7 inst.
Further searches show a marriage of an Andrew Affleck, Cooper, in Leith and Ann Jameson, resident in Leith and daughter of Alexander Jameson, Porter, thereafter procliamation of banns were married Jan 25th 1793. Because my Andrew had children earlier than 1793 I don't think this is my Andrew, even though married to an Ann. :(
As this is my first "foray" into Scotland, I would really appreciate your views, input. The trees I have researched in the past have all been in England (ok just over the border in Cumberland and also Northumberland/Durham :? ). Can I ask you seasoned researchers if Scottish records are mostly recorded (parish records pre 1837), or are there a lot missing?
Many thanks for reading this (lengthy :roll: ) email. Best wishes Jean

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Post by Anne H » Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:05 am

Hi Jean and a warm welcome to TalkingScot! [scotland-flag]

Although I believe the registration of births prior to 1855 might have been compulsary, not everyone registered their childs births and if they were registered, I believe Scotlands People would have them indexed in the OPR's (Old Parish Records) if the records still exist.

The Andrew Affleck born to father John Affleck, mother Helen Young, in Hounam, Roxburgh had siblings William b. 1755, Janet b. 1758 and Robert b 1764...do these siblings names run in your family?

I'm sure some nice seasoned soul will be along soon to help you further your research if they can.

Regards,
Anne H

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Post by JeanGris » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:30 pm

Hi Ann H
Thank you so much for your welcoming message and reply to me. :) I have looked at the children of my Andrew Affleck bn c1760 - his 4 x children were Andrew, James, John and William. Although there is no Janet (I love that name :) ) I have not ruled that out as the only baps I have found were for the 4 boys. I am still waiting for the parish registers for Chester le Street district and a few towns/villages nearby on fiche that I have ordered, as these would (hopefully!) give deaths of Afflecks, as what I really want to find is our Andrew's bn c1760 death - he must have died anytime after 1793 (the last son I have recorded for Andrew), and up to 1837, and it should be recorded in the parish records for the Durham area I would have thought as his children were all bn in coal mining villages. If I can find this death then I think I would have an age of Andrew to work on - although sometimes they did not know their exact age! :(
I have also looked at Andrew Afflecks on IGI (Hugh Wallis Batch Numbers) and there are one or two more who could be my Andrew, his first son was born 1786, so I am working back 21 years so I suppose if Andrew was 21 when he married that would make him bn 1765ish, there again he could have married earlier than 21 or when he was older :x
The Joys of family history. :?
Thanks again for your lovely reply, best wishes Jean

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Afflecks from Scotland

Post by JeanGris » Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:01 pm

Hello again
I meant to ask this question - apart from Scotlands People, can anyone give me some advice about buying parish registers, MIs etc for Scotland - various counties etc. Is it best to join the local Family History Society?
Best wishes, Jean

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Post by Anne H » Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:41 pm

Hi Jean,

I believe different family history societies will have different benefits and can be an excellent source for many in their research and would be worthwhile checking them out.

I'm not sure about parish registers other than ordering them in from your local LDS family history center but you can order MI books from here.
http://www.gwsfhs.org.uk/content/monume ... tions.aspx

Hope you find what you're looking for when your fiche come in and in the meantime, if I come across anything that might help, I'll certainly pass it along.

Regards,
Anne H

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Post by JeanGris » Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:04 pm

Thanks again Anne H for our reply - I will have a look at the link you gave me, Jean x

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Post by Currie » Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:52 am

Hello Jean,

I'm sure you'll already know about these sites in relation to research in Co. Durham etc. This one can be useful even if you only make use of the free facilities http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/index.php Then there’s FreeReg but coverage is very patchy as it’s a mammoth task they’ve undertaken. http://freereg.rootsweb.com/index.htm

The state of the Old Parish Registers in Scotland (and probably everywhere else) varies greatly from parish to parish and depends on what got lost, burnt, eaten, borrowed or rotted away etc and on whether the individuals charged with keeping them bothered to. Deaths/Burials were usually more neglected than the others or completely ignored. Hugh Wallis’s batch number site has what’s available for Births/Baptisms and Marriages.

This page sets out the position clearly. http://scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/h ... x.aspx?448 Note that the Old Parish Records available on ScotlandsPeople are only for Church of Scotland and do not currently include Deaths/Burials. Records known to exist for each County are listed on this General Register Office for Scotland (GROS) page http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/famrec/h ... r-cov.html

For something a bit more entertaining and with more detail this Google Book, which is much easier to read if downloaded, is very enlightening especially if you have a particular county in mind. http://www.google.com.au/books?id=aCELA ... &dq=%22%22

Hope that’s useful,
Alan

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Afflecks

Post by JeanGris » Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:00 am

Hello Alan
Thank you so much for your reply. Yes I have looked at the websites you mention - Durham records online and Freereg, and also family history online (Federation of Family History Societies), who are also working in partnership with Findmypast, so records on family history online are also on findmypast.
I'll certainly look at the other websites you mention - thanks for these. I'm still waiting for the parish record fiche to see if I can find a death of Andrew, and that way I may be able to get nearer to his exact dob, which could narrow down what I have found so far in Scotland.
Best wishes Jean

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Re: Aflecks in Scotland

Post by affleckdna » Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:54 am

Hello Jean
I note your 2008 post regarding Andrew Affleck c. 1760. Did you ever get any results from your research?

In Feb 2012 we established the Affleck Surname DNA Project with Family Tree DNA in an attempt to help resolve some of these unanswered genealogical questions. The project includes Affleck, Afflect, Afflick, Auchinleck, Auflick, Fleckie plus other varients

I thought that I had your Andrew Affleck being the Andrew Affleck born 22 Jul 1760 in Capehope, Hounam, Roxburghshire, Scotland... BUT I have no way of linking this for sure without the help of science. http://affleckdna.com/andrew-affleck-b-1786/

I have set up Andrew as an 'Affleck Patriarch' (outside of Scotland) in the hope that we can get some male descendants to do a Y-chromosome dna test and establish the Y-chromosome STR haplotype for Andrew's genealogical lineage. This would include Auflicks also as the name went through some variation.

We have approximately 95 Affleck men worldwide participating in the project (see http://affleckdna.com/affleck-surname-d ... ticipants/) . Most are supplying their lineages back to their 'Earliest Known Ancestor'. Of these there is one participant in Chester-le-Street and one in Newcastle. We have a descendant of John Fleckie of Roxburghshire considering having a dna test to establish the John Fleckie c.1665 lineage

Jean, I would love to hear how you are getting on with your research

I have had my dna results back, and while I am a descendant of the East Lothian/Berwickshire Afflecks (in New Zealand since 1858) I have a close match with descendants of James Flett born 1713 Orkney Islands.

Yours respectfully

Charles Affleck
Affleck Surname DNA Project
Affleck One-Name Study

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Re: Aflecks in Scotland

Post by SarahND » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:09 pm

Hello Charles and welcome to Talking Scot! [scotland-flag]
It has been three years since Jean was on the forum, but if she has kept the same email address, she may receive a notification of your post. You might also sent her a private message by clicking the pm button next to her post and hope she will get it.

Your DNA project sounds exciting! I have had at least one line clarified by such studies and found them to be very worthwhile.

All the best,
Sarah