New to the board.....- but a huge brickwall

adsmum · Post by **adsmum** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:20 am

Hello all,

I am new to this board, so am sorry if i posted this in the wrong spot...

I have a brickwall that is driving me crazy

I have been working on my MUNRO's for a few years now and it seems i cant go any further with out some sort of help.

I have an Alexander MUNRO b abt 1823 Urray....to Duncan Munro and Ann ROSS, now i have found all his other siblings on SP and IGI but NO mention of him. Even the submitted tree has no mention of him. On his marriage cert (x 2 ) he gives Duncan and Ann as his parents (am yet to find his death). Could he have been adopted, was that widely done back then and just given him the Munro name ? I tried to go back further and look for Duncan and Anns marriage i think i found it, and it gives Duncans father as John Munro alias Brebedar on Clair
- no idea what that means

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Is there anyone that is able to help / advise what to do next

Adsmum

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:17 am

Hi Adsmum
And welcome to Talking Scot

A few questions:

On his marriage cert (x 2 ) he gives Duncan and Ann as his parents

When adn where did he marry and to whom (twice)?

You don't mention the census years, ...Have you seen the family in any census? Where does Alexander say he was born? What census have you last seen him in? (this may give clues to narrow down the date of death)

Have you found his 2nd wife's death? Did she outlive him?(again clues to narrow down the date of death)

There is a submission for him as having been born in 1823 on the IGI, but looks like the submitter knows no more than you do! From the dates of birth of the children, it looks like the couple married about 1816-17, but as far as I can see these births are all submisisons, so given the geographical area and given the lack of "extracts" so far, I'm thinking they may not have been members of the established church, so probably not in the OPRs.

Best wishes
Lesley

adsmum · Post by **adsmum** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:04 am

Thanks so much for the reply, yes a few details i left out, sorry.....

Alexander married Mary McClean according to IGI they married 12 December 1845, in Kilarlity they have 3 kids, Ann b abt 1847 Alexander and Duncan (twins) born abt 1851 , By 1861 the twin Alexander has passed away, and just the 2 children left.

I have 1851 and 1861 census,

Alexander then widower marriaged Margaret Fraser 5th June 1874 in Fannellan, claiming he was 51, usual residence Lettoch, Kilmorach married in the Free Church of Scotland in the Parish of Kilarlity. hey had 1 child Simon Fraser MUNRO in 1876 he died in Gallipoli in 1915 , i have all his details.

In 1851 Alexander's 2nd wife, is the maid of him and his 1st wife......

According to the census he was born abt 1823 - 1826 it varies....as they do

Adsmum

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:06 am

Here he is in 1841 -

Piece: SCT1841/101 Place: Kiltarlity -Inverness-shire Enumeration District: 7
Civil Parish: Kiltarlity Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 7 Page: 9
Address: Fanellan

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ROYAN James M 45 Farm Grieve Outside Census County (1841)
ROYAN Margaret F 45 Outside Census County (1841)
ROYAN Alexr M 14 Inverness-shire
ROYAN Bell F 11 Inverness-shire
ROYAN James M 75 Outside Census County (1841)
MCGRUER Ann F 20 Female Servant Inverness-shire
MCLEAN Alexr M 25 Ag. Lab. Inverness-shire
MUNRO Alexr M 20 Ag. Lab. Inverness-shire
FRASER Alexr M 20 Ag. Lab. Inverness-shire
FRASER Alexr M 15 Ag. Lab. Inverness-shire
FRASER David M 14 Ag. Lab. Inverness-shire

In 1841 there are only 25 Munros living at Kiltarlity. In 1851 only 19.
You can view them courtesy of FREECEN

May be costly but ..........my grandfather's name was Kennedy

-however I was fortunate that his ggg grandfather populated the village of Kilmadock in Perth so every Kennedy 1841 - 1861 was descended from him. With sideways steps I was able to positively trace the family.

What was Alexander's father's occupation?

Regards,
Annette

adsmum · Post by **adsmum** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:40 am

Hi Nelmit

WOW thats good, will go and download it, according to marriage certs of Alexander, his father - Duncan was a gardener born 20 Feb 1778 Kiltern, and died 7 th July 1856 Dingwell....giving parents names John and Isabell

Thanks this is great

Adsmum

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:25 pm

Hi Adsmum

Alexander then widower marriaged Margaret Fraser 5th June 1874 in Fannellan, claiming he was 51, usual residence Lettoch, Kilmorach married in the Free Church of Scotland in the Parish of Kilarlity

Well, that may well explain why you'll not likely find births or marriages to the family before Statutory Registration began in 1855, as if they were not established church, they'll not likely turn up in the OPRs, so you'll not find them on IGI or SP. (Providing Alexander was also Free Church, not just his 2nd bride....) But you say you've found all the siblings on SP?
So maybe not,perhaps just not on IGI...? How many have you found on SP?

There may be Free Church Records held at NAS in Edinburgh for their partuclar church. You'd need to go & have a look at the catalogue. Free Chuch falls under ref. CH3
http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue/

The submissions on the IGI have to have come from somewhere, so that at least suggests there are records to consult.

Best wishes
Lesley

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:20 pm

Looks like Alexander is living with his son Duncan in 1891 at Inverness. There are only 2 likely deaths both in 1893 at Inverness. Have you looked at these for any more hints?

Regards,
Annette

adsmum · Post by **adsmum** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:03 pm

HI

Thanks both of you, i have found all the childrens births on SP (other than Alexanders, so am wondering as he was not the youngest, but a middle child why he was missed out ??

Nelbit, jes Alexander and his son Simon live with Duncan - his son from his 1st marriage and his wife and children , i have looked at a few deaths on SP for Alexander but none are able to confirm it was him, but by 1901 he is gone, so must be between 1891 - 1901.

Some how his sone Simon Fraser MUNRO ( from 2nd marriage) ends up in Sth Africa - not sure how or why, but he marries there in 1901 then returns to Scotland by 1904 with his wife

Adsmum

adsmum · Post by **adsmum** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:02 am

Sorry

Another dumb question, how come i can find the census on freecen, but not on SP or Ancestry

??????

Adsmum