Alexander Harrold - Transported??

caljam371 · Post by **caljam371** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:07 pm

Found the quoted section on NAS site and it opens up a whole new side of research that I have never looked at before.

Alexander Harrold is who I am interested in. I have him in the 1841 & 1851 census and there were 4 children born between 1833 - 1838 so if he was transported he came back before the 7 years. There was a gap in children between 1828 and 1833 indicating he possibly wasn't around.

1841 Census -
Piece: SCT1841/129 Place: Dallas -Morayshire Enumeration District: 7
Civil Parish: Dallas Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Dallas
Folio: 7 Page: 1
Address: Gallow Hill
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
HARROLD Alexander M 50 Army Pensioner Morayshire
HARROLD Janet F 35 Morayshire
HARROLD Janet F 13 Morayshire HARROLD William M 8 Morayshire
HARROLD John M 7 Morayshire
HARROLD Margaret F 5 Morayshire
Page: 7/2
HARROLD Robert M 3 Morayshire

Reference Title Date
JC26 High Court of Justiciary processes 1550-1997

Country code GB
Repository code 234
Repository National Archives of Scotland
Reference JC26/1828/117
Title Trial papers relating to Alexander Garrow, Alexander Harrold for the crime of fraud. Tried at High Court, Inverness
Dates 17 Sep 1828
Access status Open
Level File
Finding aids 19th Century Solemn Database
Related record AD14/28/275
Accused Alexander Garrow, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Transportation - 7 years
Alexander Harrold, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Transportation - 7 years

Does anyone know where I can find more info - without trailing down to Edinburgh just yet or spending a fortune. I'm waiting to see if I can get a free trial to the 19th centuary newspapers.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:52 pm

Hi Caljam

Does anyone know where I can find more info - without trailing down to Edinburgh

Just a note for when you do go to Edinburgh - order the documents (ref JC26/1828/117, and maybe also that "Related record AD14/28/275" ) a couple of days in advance as not all are held in the main buildings. Nothing worse than making the trip only to find you can't see the items you were hoping to view....

I don't know of any other way to ssee the items other than to go to Edinburgh or request an estimate for photocopying them. Could be reasonable or dear as it depends how long and involved the trial was. Bet it will make interesting reading though! I'd prefer to see the original documents if it were me, and then ask for copies of any of the pages I'd like to retain for my records or for further study or reference.

Best wishes
Lesley

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:50 pm

Hello Caljam,

I did my very best to find something in the 19C newspapers but there’s nothing for either name prior to the 1880’s. I couldn’t find anything in the Scottish newspapers (Aberdeen Journal & Caledonian Mercury – there are no Glasgow Herald issues in the database between 1827 & 1844). Searched for fraud & transported & court & whatever.

The Aberdeen Journal, Wednesday, September 24, 1828, Page 4, has a report on cases held at Inverness on September 17, 1828 before Lord Justice Clerk and Lord Mackenzie of the Circuit Court of Justiciary. It may be the same as the High Court, a range of crimes were tried, but I can’t see your fellows there and can’t find reports of any other courts held that day in Inverness. Not all cases may have been reported.

If you want the image for the AJ page please send me an email address via PM. If there turns out to be a problem with the NAS date you could ask me again later.

I haven’t done much convict research except for GGG Uncle Fester. Given the travelling time and the unlikelihood of a reduced sentence, not to mention the fare home, it’s very doubtful he would be home in 5 years if transported. I think it was fairly common for there to be quite a delay before the convicted actually got onto a convict transport and maybe some didn’t get to go.

It would probably be worth having a good read about the convict transportation system to Australia and also check the various convict databases to see if they crop up there. http://www.coraweb.com.au/convict.htm

If Alexander Harrold was an Army pensioner as per the 1841 census he could well be a Napoleonic War veteran. It looks like the National Archives has his Chelsea Hospital file in WO97 and maybe something else WO121. Make sure you read the notes within the links. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/sear ... ryType=ALL

I don’t know what the NA papers would cost. The LDS Church has some Chelsea Hospital material. Do a keyword search for CHELSEA HOSPITAL here. http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library ... t_fhlc.asp

Hope that’s useful,
Alan

rjpaton · Post by **rjpaton** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:08 am

So that's what it means when you see 'Chelsea Pensioner' as an occupation on some census records - I saw this on one the other day & I just assumed it was some sort of army pension. But it means a veteran of the Napoleonic war does it? Interesting.

Caljam, I checked through the convict records on www.ancestry.com.au but could find no references to Alexander Harrold or Garrow for the period 1788 to 1842. The transportation & convict census & pardon records on Ancestry are pretty good, so it may mean he wasn't transported.

Robert

caljam371 · Post by **caljam371** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:29 am

Thanks for all the replys so far. Not sure I'll get down to Edinburgh for a while but it's the Scottish Family History Fair in Aberdeen next Saturday so will take my info along and see if there is anyone there who can help point me in the right direction.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:06 am

Hi Robert

I saw this on one the other day & I just assumed it was some sort of army pension. But it means a veteran of the Napoleonic war does it? Interesting.

It is not specific to one war...there are still Chelsea Pensioners. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_pensioner

Best wishes
Lesley