Could this be the missing Hugh?

Post by **joette** » Mon May 18, 2009 4:06 pm

I had searched for the death of Hugh Robertson & indeed his whereabouts after 1841 when he disappears from sight.
He was the spouse of Helen Thomson & they had two sons Hugh -1833 & William 1835.Both Penicuik.
By 1841 Census he is living with his widowed Mother & sister both Ann Robertson & eldest son Hugh,no sign of William in Kirkhill.
In 1851 Census Hugh junior & William are living in Kirkhill Penicuik with Helen's Mother. No Hugh senior.
I have found the death of Helen in 1836 at Eskmills.
Today I had a message on GR from somebody researching his Robertsons of Midlothian rellies.His Hugh a Papermaker from Midlothian settled in Hexham & married & raised a family.
I never thought of looking South as presumed he would have stayed around his Mother & sons.
However no trace on the Scottish Cencuses or his death has got me hoping I might have found the elusive Hugh which is quite nice as I did think of him as I managed to track his siblings down in Censuses,marriages & deaths.
So [-o< it's the same one as I take a little dive into the English records for a look.

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Mon May 18, 2009 4:45 pm

What was your Hugh's occupation Joette?

I've found a couple of Hughs in about the right age group but no papermakers.

Regards,
Annette

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Mon May 18, 2009 9:36 pm

It sure looks like a very very good possiblity to me! The fact that his first OPR marriage gives him with an ococupation of papermaker...the fact that he goes missing after 1841....the fact that the the ages are a reasonable match....the fact that the Hexham Hugh was from Midlothian.....even the fact that the names Hugh and William are not used by the family in Hexham.....I say it's him! If you happen to know who his parents were then I guess finding the MC in Hexham of Hugh and Isabella would be a final confirmation if the father's name and occupation match what you know on your Scottish Hugh.....

Here is the English familly in 1851 and 1861....

1851 Census
Name: Hugh Robertson
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Isabella
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Occupation: Paper Maker

Civil Parish: Hexham
Town: Hexham
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Hexham
Sub-registration district: Bywell

Household Members: Name Age
Hugh Robertson 41
Isabella Robertson 28
John Robertson 5
Thomas Robertson 3
Matthew Robertson 1

and in 1861 Isabella is a widow.....

Name: Isabella Robinson
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Hexham, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Hexham
Town: Hexham
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Hexham
Sub-registration district: Hexham

Household Members: Name Age
Isabella Robinson 37
John Robinson 15
Thomas Robinson 13
Matthew Robinson 11
Robert Robinson 9
Ann Robinson 5

Best wishes
Jean

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Mon May 18, 2009 11:39 pm

It certainly does look like him Jean.

Don't know what I was doing - I was looking for somebody 10 years older-it's been a long week!

Best wishes,
Annette

Post by **joette** » Tue May 19, 2009 12:49 am

I have never used the English BMD's before-all mine stayed North or went overseas or returned to Scotland to die.I am going to have a look now.
His parents are Hugh Robertson & Ann Brown & he is a papermaker too(prison guard at the Prison in Penicuik for one of his children's OPR births).
I do hope this guy on GR gets back to me as it looks like a match! Wasn't even a Hot Match!

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Tue May 19, 2009 1:36 am

nelmit wrote:It certainly does look like him Jean.

Don't know what I was doing - I was looking for somebody 10 years older-it's been a long week!

Best wishes,
Annette

Guid god hen it's oanly Monday!

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Tue May 19, 2009 1:40 am

joette wrote:I have never used the English BMD's before-all mine stayed North or went overseas or returned to Scotland to die.I am going to have a look now.
His parents are Hugh Robertson & Ann Brown & he is a papermaker too(prison guard at the Prison in Penicuik for one of his children's OPR births).
I do hope this guy on GR gets back to me as it looks like a match! Wasn't even a Hot Match!

You'll have to locate the vol and page number of what you believe to be the right nuptials (a delicate task usually) and then swipe the plastic to order in the cert and keep your fingers and toes crossed the whole while. A truly great system.....

There is a marriage in Hexham though that looks like a good possibility. Maybe your GR unhot match will have more info on the marriage and will be able to tell you the groom's father's name and occupation. Here's hoping they keep communicating with you!!

Best wishes
Jean

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Tue May 19, 2009 6:12 am

Hello all,

On FreeBMD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl the only Hugh Robertson marriage to an Isa* 1837-1851, anywhere south of the border, is this lot, 8 names to a page, so presumably it’s likely to be Isabella Wailes or Isabella Berkley.

Marriages Jun 1845
Armstrong William Hexham 25/296
Bell Ann Hexham 25/296
Berkley Isabella Hexham 25/296
Davison John Hexham 25/296
Pigg Ann Hexham 25/296
Robertson Hugh Hexham 25/296
Todd John Hexham 25/296
Wailes Isabella Hexham 25/296

And this looks a likely death.
Deaths Sep 1860
Robertson Hugh Hexham 10b/131

Alan

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Tue May 19, 2009 8:25 am

Hi Joette
If you are ordering an English certificate via the GRO site, http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
you can put in a couple of conditions to attempt to ensure you end up with the correct marriage - e.g. you can state expected occupation and perhaps (can't remember as it's been deaths I'e been ordering recently) father's name may be an option too.

If you are dealing with a really tricky one, which a lot of the ones I;ve been dealing with recently are, being Smiths,

you may fair better contactinghe local register office by phone, as they should be able to confirm its the right one before you order it, but that seems to cost a £ more, £8 instead of the usual £7, but at least you know that you're paying for the correct one that way.

Best wishes
Lesley

Post by **joette** » Tue May 19, 2009 1:11 pm

Cheers for that Alan & Lesley & Jean & Annette.
I am hoping my non-Hot Match gets back to me too although £8 for one certificate is not too bad-I am pretty sure the Death in 1860 is the correct one Alan.-if it were a dozen or so I would be less keen We have been spoiled by Scotland's People. How do the English afford the research?.
I also got contacted by somebody looking for his sister Christina who is my GGGreat-Granny.I think those Robertsons have been a family reunion & thinking Jeannette's been spending too much time on that other side of the family time she got back to this one!