Sasine linked to right person ?

Post by **Tracey** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:30 pm

I received copy of Sasines allegedly pertaining to my G3 William Donaldson dated 1849 .
What I don’t understand is how these were linked to my particular G3 as it doesn’t give any personal information about him and is noted only as William Donaldson, Labourer in Forres.
His children’s births from 1847 to 1867 with the exception of two in Elgin are in Rathven. All censuses are Rathven and he is described as Labourer, Scavenger of Flesher on each.
Maybe his start in life was better than the end but I am just not getting is what it was that made who ever connected the two to know that this sasine belonged to this William Donaldson ?

I hope i have made some sense in the above - for a change

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:50 pm

Hi Tracey

...but I am just not getting is what it was that made who ever connected the two to know that this sasine belonged to this William Donaldson ?

Who made the connnection to your William Donaldson? A researcher, another family historian, someone in an archive?

It may not be the case with this situation, but perhaps whoever it was has seen other documents which make the position clearer? I know I have built up pictures from several pieces of information or documents, inclusing sasines, which, if seen individually would be pretty inconclusive, it is only when you see all the documents and how the information links up that you would agree with the conclusions.

Best wishes
Lesley

Post by **Tracey** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:07 pm

Hi Lesley

I check the Moray site quite often to see what, if anything, has been added or updated to any of my names on there. Recently i saw this Sasine information added to my William so i sent off for it and i received it today. There is nothing that i can see to say 100% it is connected to the right William or i should say my William. Finding out what happend to the land may give more detail

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:20 pm

Hi Tracey

I don't know the web site, but is there any indication who added it to the site and to "your" William? Is there someone to contact to find out more?

Best wishes
Lesley

Post by **Tracey** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:59 am

The Local Heritage Center at Cooper Park in Elgin, which for me has been a jewel and cant praise them enough, but Ive no idea who adds the information.

On libindex on moray.gov

MISCELLANEOUS DETAILS
NM248605
WILLIAM DONALDSON

1849 instrument of sasine for land at Forres in favour of Donaldson following a disposition of sale by Robert Munro - ZBFo A52/21/273v-275r
1863 application for poor relief to parish of Elgin - MF D EL3 [GRC archives - ZPEL A5/5 p132]
1872 application for poor relief to parish of Elgin - MF D EL3 [GRC archives - ZPEL A5/5 p1115]
1874 application for poor relief to parish of Elgin - MF D EL4 [GRC archives - ZPEL A5/6 p157]
1874 application for poor relief to parish of Elgin - MF D EL4 [GRC archives - ZPEL A5/6 10b]

Thanks to Angel aka Heather and my family I have transcripts and copies of all poor relief but I never saw this Sasine attached to his Miscellaneous information before so I ordered it.

Brief snippets of the description from the Sasine of where this land is

………………………with the houses built thereon yards, parts, pendicles and universal …linents thereto belonging lying upon the north side of the Burgh of Forres and bounded as follows …. Blah blah…………..At the west by another lot or tenement of Burgh Begged (Bigged ?) land belonging to …………………………………………..stones placed between the said two tenements at the east by the lot or tenement of land belonging to William Donaldson at the south by the north Back Street of the Burgh of Forres and at the North by the Burn of Mossat ? or back road together with all right title and interest claim of right property and possession, ??? or possessory which the said Robert Munro his predecessors or……………….

So looking on freecen for a William that may “fit” there this one who lives at North Back Street

1841
Piece: SCT1841/137 Place: Forres -Morayshire Enumeration District: 3
Civil Parish: Forres Burgh Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 3 Page: 13
Address: North Back Street
DONALDSON William M 50 Roadmaker Morayshire
DONALDSON Janet F 45 Wife To Roadmaker Morayshire
MONRO John M 60 Weaver Morayshire
SINCLAIR Janet F 55 Wife To Weaver Outside Census County (1841)

Below are the possible same couple (?) without going further and delving into SP

1851
Piece: SCT1851/137 Place: Forres -Morayshire Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Forres Burgh Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 107 Page: 25 Schedule: 139
Address: 27 North Back St
DONALDSON William Head M M 74 Agricultural Labourer Morayshire - Edinkillie
DONALDSON Janet Wife M F 74 Agricultural Labourer's Wife Morayshire – Dyke

This William is not “mine” (directly or that I know of) and seems to me to be a far more likely candidate to be buying / owning this land. Knowing how destitute mine were I doubted this sasine but then thought, well, the poor relief for them started 10 – 15 years after this Sasine so they may have had happier times to begin with but the more I (try) to read this and finding this census the less convinced I am.

Maybe I should contact them and ask