Hugh McDermott born 13.01.1873

[rosieno1]

My Great Great Grandparents were married in Derry 24.08.1868. It appears that sometime soon after they came to Lanarkshire, first to in and around Shotts, then to Omoa Square Omoa village, now part of Cleland, in Lanarkshire. Cleland though part of Shotts Parish, is quite distinct from Shotts itself. They had 12 children, including 2 Sarah's - one of whom died in infancy, obviously - and their first born, Annie is not tracable on SP. The second eldest Ellen who is my great grandmother, was born on 10.11.1869 at Bowhousebog Shotts, in Calderhead Parish (ie not Shotts Parish) - very confusing.

I have 2 queries
1 Can you help me trace Annie. I think she may have been born in Derry, though some subsequent census returns say she was born in Shotts. I had a great deal of trouble finding Ellen's birth - mis-registered as Helen McDermatt - but despite the use of multi wild cards, I cant find Annie. It may be that she was born in Derry - but if so I cant find her on the LDS pilot search site either. It may be that she was born before the marriage, as on some census's she is given as 2 years older than Ellen. Any help would be gratefully rec'd! Ps the parents were Hugh McDermott and Ellen(Eleanor on the marriage certificate) Toner (Tonner on most scottish certs)

However the second query is the real reason I am on today:-
2 Hugh was born fourth in 1873 as in my subject line. He was the only boy in the 13 siblings! - what are the odds for that - surely it must have been some sort of genetic anomaly ? Any way, I have managed to trace the births/Marriages/deaths for many of the siblings, but as far as I can tell, Hugh disappears after the 1891 census. He is 18 years old and they are living at Omoa Square by Cleland. I have found no subsequent marriage or death certificates. I have obviously speculated that he emigrated - after all, who could live surrounded by 13( including his mother) women! Well either that or he would be gay!! I only half joke - though that would have surely been unthinkable in the rigid irish catholic society to which he belonged??

I have asked every one that I know that's left of my mum's generation, he would have been their uncle, but no one knows anything?

Help please!
Janex

[nelmit]

My Great Great Grandparents were married in Derry 24.08.1868. It appears that sometime soon after they came to Lanarkshire, first to in and around Shotts, then to Omoa Square Omoa village, now part of Cleland, in Lanarkshire. Cleland though part of Shotts Parish, is quite distinct from Shotts itself. They had 12 children, including 2 Sarah's - one of whom died in infancy, obviously - and their first born, Annie is not tracable on SP. The second eldest Ellen who is my great grandmother, was born on 10.11.1869 at Bowhousebog Shotts, in Calderhead Parish (ie not Shotts Parish) - very confusing.

I have 2 queries
1 Can you help me trace Annie. I think she may have been born in Derry, though some subsequent census returns say she was born in Shotts. I had a great deal of trouble finding Ellen's birth - mis-registered as Helen McDermatt - but despite the use of multi wild cards, I cant find Annie. It may be that she was born in Derry - but if so I cant find her on the LDS pilot search site either. It may be that she was born before the marriage, as on some census's she is given as 2 years older than Ellen. Any help would be gratefully rec'd! Ps the parents were Hugh McDermott and Ellen(Eleanor on the marriage certificate) Toner (Tonner on most scottish certs)

However the second query is the real reason I am on today:-
2 Hugh was born fourth in 1873 as in my subject line. He was the only boy in the 13 siblings! - what are the odds for that - surely it must have been some sort of genetic anomaly ? Any way, I have managed to trace the births/Marriages/deaths for many of the siblings, but as far as I can tell, Hugh disappears after the 1891 census. He is 18 years old and they are living at Omoa Square by Cleland. I have found no subsequent marriage or death certificates. I have obviously speculated that he emigrated - after all, who could live surrounded by 13( including his mother) women! Well either that or he would be gay!! I only half joke - though that would have surely been unthinkable in the rigid irish catholic society to which he belonged??

I have asked every one that I know that's left of my mum's generation, he would have been their uncle, but no one knows anything?

Help please!
Janex

Hello Jane,

Here is Annie's birth -

ANNIE DIERMOTT Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
04 SEP 1866 0203, Glendermot, Londonderry, Ireland

Parents:
Father: HUGH DIERMOTT Family
Mother: ELLEN TONER

There is a possible Hugh Macdermott in the US census but I don't have access. Hopefully somebody who does will be along soon.

Regards,
Annette

[rosieno1]

Annette - thats brilliant - the birth details for Annie - as the marriage was also in the district of Gendermot - where did you find it??

Was it on LDS ??
I never thought to tale the Mc off the surname, even though I have read before that surnames were often used with or without the Mc & O' prefixes

thanks a million Janex

[speleobat2]

Hi Jane,

I've been checking the US records for Hugh and haven't had any luck so far. All the Hugh McDermotts seem to either be born in the wrong place or are the wrong age by too much.

Your Hugh is a popular fellow on the family trees though. There are three besides your own which claim him as a member. No one has a date of death or marriage for him that I saw!

Carol

[SarahND]

There is a possible Hugh Macdermott in the US census but I don't have access. Hopefully somebody who does will be along soon.

Is this the census you were thinking about, Annette? His age is off, but that can easily be explained by the age of his wife. He didn't want to let on that he was nearly 20 years younger! The month is right, however. Then there is the problem of the immigration year. He claims he came over in 1873 (i.e. the year Hugh was born in Scotland...) Odd. However, he was a coal miner in 1891 and is now living in a mining area, but working as a day laborer. Sounds plausible, if you're willing to accept the age and immigration dates being off.

1900
South Versailles, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania
Hugh McDermot, Head, born Jan 1869, age 31, married for 7 years, born in Scotland, parents both born in Ireland, came to U.S. in 1873, 27 years in country, Day Laborer
Annie McDermot, Wife, born June 1854, age 45, married 7 years, has had 12 children, 4 of which are still living, born in England, parents born in England, came to U.S. in 1879, 20 years in country.
Cornelius McDermot, Step Son, born Oct 1890, age 9, born Pennsylvania, father born in Scotland, mother in England
John McDermot, Son, born June 1894, age 5, born Pennsylvania, father born in Scotland, mother in England
Annie McDermot, Daughter, born Mch 1897, age 3, born Pennsylvania, father born in Scotland, mother in England

By 1910 he as aged further and is now only 10 years younger than Annie. He also says he came over in 1870 this time. He is back to being a coal miner. The step son is now revealed to have the surname Graham.

In 1920 Hugh looks like his name is written "Huey" and is transcribed "Henry". He is now only 2 years older than his wife, who has shaved 3 years off her age also.

Don't see the family offhand in 1930, but they must be somewhere...

Cheers,
Sarah

[nelmit]

Hi Sarah,

The one I found is transcribed as Macdermott birth year 1876 according to the 1920 census of Illinois. One shows up same spelling in 1900.

Best wishes,
Annette

[nelmit]

Annette - thats brilliant - the birth details for Annie - as the marriage was also in the district of Gendermot - where did you find it??

Was it on LDS ??
I never thought to tale the Mc off the surname, even though I have read before that surnames were often used with or without the Mc & O' prefixes

thanks a million Janex

Yes I found it on LDS by entering only Ann (no surname) in the first name box and Ellen Toner in the mother's name boxes and up it popped!

Regards,
Annette

[rosieno1]

Thanks again Annette, on 2 occasions I've spent about an hour of precious time searching for Annie fruitlessly at the Scotlands People centre in Edinburgh, at NRH - and now I know why!!

Not that I am complaining, it is just so much easier nowadays to do these searches, than it must have been before records went on line! Perversely though, occasionally I feel envious, it would be lovely to touch the books, look at the faded ink on paper - know what I mean??

Any way - thanks a bundle!
Jane

[rosieno1]

Carol - thanks for your info - I have seen the other 3 trees on Ancestry!

These are my second cousins I think you would call them, the grandchildren of 2 of my grandmother's siblings. None of whom I know personally, though I would have met their parents/grand parents at family functions - well, funerals I suppose would be more accurate! Their trees, as far as I can see, are accurate, and it is satisfying in 1 way that they have had no success either - at least it would seem that I haven't missed anything!

Thank you all also for the work on Hugh - he could indeed have gone to The USA, or indeed Australia/New Zealand/Canada or South Africa - but I aim to try my hardest to find out!

Ta again Janex

[speleobat2]

Hi Jane,

Happy to try to help. Dealing with census records is a real pain especially when your relatives didn't cooperate! I have one great great uncle who was born in 1855--I have his birth cert.--but when he moved to the USA and married a woman 8 years younger, he decided that he was born in 1861 and really couldn't remember when he had arrived!

Sarah,

I don't know where Hugh was in 1930, maybe deceased, but Annie was living with Cornelius(Carnelius on ancestry) Graham and his wife Gertrude in Glassport, Allegheny, PA. She aged again to 76 and was born in 1854 on the 1930 census!

Carol