Robert Scott of Gowanglen Orchard Carluke

[maggiehill]

Hi

My ancestor was Robert Scott who was born abt 1761 in Carluke and was a well known Nurseryman growing fruit, he was mentioned in the Gardeners Magazine Vol X1 in 1835 re his new apples. His family owned the Scotts Jam Works. He is not on the 1841 Census therefore I assume he died between 1835 and 1841.

As he was a well known person his death would have been notified in a local paper, what was the local paper then and how do I access them?

There are many people with his life story on the Web but none to date have found his death date I am wondering if any person can give me a lead.

Regards

Maggie

[Alan SHARP]

Greetings from NZ.

I to have been researching apple breeders. My Gt Gt Uncle, originally from Renfrew & Lanark, had over 830 named imported apples in his 1886 orchard/nursery catalogue.

One he imported a lot from, was the John SCOTT nursery at Sumerset in the UK. This business closed it's doors only a couple of years ago with the death of John Scott WALLIS.

I presume they were related so was the "old man" Robert visiting one of the other nurseries when the census was taken?

GOOGLE searches bring up a lot of info including this reference, referring to the death and nursery closure after 150 years or so:-

1. 23 Nov 2009 ... Scott's of Merriott dates back to the middle of the 19th century when John Scott , born in Perth, settled in Somerset to establish a nursery ...
fruitforum.wordpress.com/.../scotts-of-merriott-nursery-closes/ - Cached - Similar

Alan SHARP.

[Currie]

Hello Maggie,

As far as I know there are no historical newspapers online for anywhere in Carluke. I think the closest geographically would be the Glasgow Herald but there’s nothing in the 19C British Library Newspapers for the GH between 1827 and 1844.

Google News Archive has the GH for that time period but the search facility usually doesn’t work very well and you would probably have to browse like using microfilm. Sometimes something turns up, like this search for Clydesdale Orchards with some 1845 Scotts listed. http://www.google.com/search?q=%22clyde ... newspapers

Newsplan Scotland at the NLS has microfilmed a Carluke and a Lanark newspaper, but the list doesn’t say which period this covers. http://www.nls.uk/about-us/working-with ... titles.cfm

In the 19C BL newspapers there are some items that may be useful. Note the spelling variations. You can get access via Essex Libraries http://www.essex.gov.uk/Libraries-Archi ... brary.aspx For temporary access just go down this track. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15443

Caledonian Mercury (Edinburgh), Monday, September 25, 1826
An article about Caledonian Horticultural Society meeting on 7th instant.
“A select collection of Clydesdale Apples, with their names attached, was presented by Mr. Robert Scott, orchardist, Gowen Glen, near Lanark.”

Glasgow Herald, Friday, September 8, 1848
An article headed “Clydesdale Orchards. (From the Chronicle)” has a long list of Fruit in the Orchards on the Clyde sold by public roup and private bargain. In the private bargain part is “Gowan Glen of Orchard ….. Mr. R. Scott ….. £30.”

Glasgow Herald, Friday, September 17, 1847
Another article headed “Clydesdale Orchards.” Has a list of prices for sale of fruit growing in orchards on the Clyde. Includes “Orchard—Mr. Robert Scott …. £40.

Is this your fellow in the “Quarterly Journal of agriculture, 1834”? http://books.google.com.au/books?id=8wt ... 22&f=false

I’m not sure how you’re going to tell which of these, or even the 1835 one you mentioned, refer to the original Robert Scott, or a replacement.

Hope that helps,
Alan

[johnniegarve]

In parts of Lanarkshire , a piece n jam was known coloquially as "Carluke Steak!"

[maggiehill]

Sorry All for not replying earlier but I have been rather busy over the Christmas period.

Alan in NZ, I have not heard of any connection with your John Scott but my Robert had a son John. Where is Summerset? My Robert Scott has not been found on the 1841 Census.

Alan in Australia, thanks for all the links I have looked at some but found no relevant information to date. The R Scott mentioned could be his son Robert. I will contact Newsplan Scotland as this could be the one for Carluke and Lanark newspapers.
Alan how do you find all these links so easy?

Johnniegarve, I knew about the "Carluke Steak" I am from Lesmahagow. I found this one in a write about the Robert Scott, A Causey Saint and a Hoose Deil. What does it mean?

Maggie

[johnniegarve]

Maggie, it means somebody is hell to live with, "A Hoose Deil", but out on the street (Causeway), they're well thought of, "A Causey saint".

[Alan SHARP]

Greetings Maggie.

Sorry my spell checking 'aint that hot' I see I spelled it Sumerset instead of Somerset. If you type John Scott, Somerset into a Google search, you will come up with a lot of information re the man and his world famous orchard/nursery.

With both Robert and John being so specialized in apple growing, and both being of Scot blood, I assume they were related. Family knowledge, and all that.

Alan SHARP.